Tippmann RT not tourney legal, why?

[halB]

last time i checked, the tippmann rt was not tourney legal because it could go into runaway mode. so that got me wondering bout a few things.
1) the mag rt can also go into runaway, what distinguishes it from the tippy rt
2) how exactly could it be made tourney legal? what would have to change?
3) what is the exact definition that makes it illegal?
4) its still illegal right?

[magman007]

well, its different, you see with the tippy rt, you hold the trigger in and it still fires, the rt valve does not do that.


running in sweet spotting, as it isnt run away(long post about this runaway is uncontrolable etc) is ilegal, lower pressure is called for, some ref's will play with it, and if it doesnt sweet spot, your fine. Sweet spotting is illegal, and people need to play responsibly


The multiple ball firing from one pull makes it illegal

as of now the rt valve is legal

[Cha0tic]

1 shot fired per 1 trigger pull. holding the trigger down and having multiple balls firing, as in the tippy rt, is illegal.

[FalconGuy016]

lol we turned up my friends tippyRT+Halo and it was ludicrous

but is the RT for mag legal no matter how fast it is? Or is there a limit

[halB]

the ruling i believe is as long as the ref cant sweet spot it your good.


but heres my question, the tippy rt can be adjusted so that its not runaway, and as long as a ref cant sweet spot it, shouldnt that be alright? is there something im missing?

[-=Squid=-]

I have never played in a tourney that checks for that stuff. And yes, I have played in a LOT of tourneys, most of which are at different fields. Here are some things that you can easily get away with, well, good or bad, things they wont check for:

Cut guards
Safety
RT trigger, I dont think they will care...they just want money
tourney locks (ANS regs, etc)

There are tons of these things, but anywho...you get the idea.

[FeelTheRT]

Originally posted by magman007
well, its different, you see with the tippy rt, you hold the trigger in and it still fires, the rt valve does not do that.

your wrong because an RT valve DOES do that if your tank pressure is high enough and varrying on gun to gun. Here is the reason why the Tippmann RT is illigal... On Tippmann RTs, you can easily adjust push back pressure by adjusting a knob. On the Automag RT however, it is harder to do so. You have to adjust the tank pressure which is somewhat harder on some tanks. But if your caught with your automag RT with a run away trigger, you will get pulled out and penalized. As a matter of fact, some tournaments won't even allow Automag RTs.

[shartley]

Originally posted by FeelTheRT


your wrong because an RT valve DOES do that if your tank pressure is high enough and varrying on gun to gun. Here is the reason why the Tippmann RT is illigal... On Tippmann RTs, you can easily adjust push back pressure by adjusting a knob. On the Automag RT however, it is harder to do so. You have to adjust the tank pressure which is somewhat harder on some tanks. But if your caught with your automag RT with a run away trigger, you will get pulled out and penalized. As a matter of fact, some tournaments won't even allow Automag RTs.

[kenshinkandon]

I think it's because in order to have a automag go into runway mode you need to adjust the tank pressure. Most if not all adjustable tanks have a tournament lockdown or can be not be adjusted without tools.

The tippmann can adjust the amount of pressure the trigger returns by turning the knob on the side of the gun. if you could lock down the knob somehow it may become tourny legal. You still have the problem where if you hold down the trigger it will continue to fire it still is illegal.

tournament rules are 1 shot to 1 pull of the trigger.

With the automag it's impossible to have it shoot more than once if you hold down the trigger becasue of the way the sear engages the firing cycle where as with the tippmann the sear only needs to be held down in order to engage as many cycles as you want.

[cledford]

Originally posted by shartley

And how do we know what Tippmann designed them to do? I know that they are adjustable and can be made to run away easier then the RT - but I think in both cases the user's intent is what makes the difference.

Just busting your chops Sam

-Calvin

[cphilip]

It requires tools to readjust the RT automag on the field to make it do that. And it is something they will check for. ANY marker that fires more than one ball per trigger pull is going to be dissallowed on to the field. There are others that you can mess around with and make them do this. If you can make it NOT do that and it CANNOT be changed on the field it will be allowed. The Tippman RT can be changed without tools easily on the field to do it and so it's dissallowed. The Autmag RT can be made to NOT do that and it cannot be changed on the field without tools. And you are restricted to tools on the field. Tools being squeegie, pods, harness and one towel. No tools to do this kind of resetting of the tank and input are included.

[EsPo]

Originally posted by halB
the ruling i believe is as long as the ref cant sweet spot it your good.

so basicaly, dont put like 1k input psi into your gun

[shartley]

Originally posted by cledford
Just busting your chops Sam

-Calvin

HeeHee.. I know.

[QUINCYMASSGUY]

Tippman

I was wondering about this! The first field I ever played on, Friendly Fire Paintball in Upton, MA, said before going on the field that all Reponse Triggers need to be turned off. I was wondering why Automag RTs were still allowed, this explains it because full auto was not allowed.

It also explains a little incident at Boston Paintball last Saturday. A kid with an A5 Response kept shooting in what we were telling the refs was full auto. But every time we had him checked he showed one pull, one shot. The ref never shot the gun but the owner showed it doing one pull, one shot and so the refs didn't do anything about it. The next game you'd hear the sound of autofire again. It was confusing (and ticking off) a bunch of us cause we'd get hit by 6 or 7 balls anytime he got shots in on us.

This definitely shouldn't be tourney legal and I have no problem having fields ban it if they ban full auto. Tippman needs to change this if they want to see it on the tourney scene. That kid was nice but his gun shouldn't have been allowed on the field.

[paintball snipy]

i am not sure but wouldn't you be able to pull the trigger hard enough to hold it (and keep it) back? if you can then he was probabbly just pullin the trigger as hard as he could so it wouldn't come back forward