Tippmann RT not tourney legal, why?

[QUINCYMASSGUY]

exactly

Oh, that's exactly what I'm saying he did. He did that whenever he had to show anyone he wasn't doing full auto and he was just good at shooting fast but when actually playing he would pull it in the manner that makes it go full auto. In hindsight I should have asked to shoot it or had the ref review the gun, I'm surprised they didn't catch on or maybe they did and were being lazy or didn't care (which is lame). He was playing us and knew his gun shouldn't have been on the field. It was indoor and close range, and getting hit by a stream of 7 balls close range hurts like hell and shouldn't be happening unless I was playing on or wiping or something, which I never do. Now I know what to say and prove his gun shouldn't be on the field.

[Dayspring]

This is easy to prove.

The ReTro Valve was designed to be a quick recharge valve. Due to the design of the valve, the reactive kick is a side-effect of the rapid recharge. Yes, it's effect goes up when the input pressure is increased, but it's hard, if not impossible to do on field and is bad for the gun. Plus, it's technically a malfunction of the gun when it happens.

The Tippmann Reactive trigger is there for no other reason than to speed up the trigger action and have that sweetspot. Tippmann did nothing to change the valve to recharge faster. This uses left over gas to kick the trigger, and that level of kick is adjustable w/o tools.

See the difference?

Originally posted by cledford


And how do we know what Tippmann designed them to do? :) I know that they are adjustable and can be made to run away easier then the RT - but I think in both cases the user's intent is what makes the difference.

Just busting your chops Sam

-Calvin

[paintball snipy]

Re: exactly

Originally posted by QUINCYMASSGUY
Oh, that's exactly what I'm saying he did. He did that whenever he had to show anyone he wasn't doing full auto and he was just good at shooting fast but when actually playing he would pull it in the manner that makes it go full auto. In hindsight I should have asked to shoot it or had the ref review the gun, I'm surprised they didn't catch on or maybe they did and were being lazy or didn't care (which is lame). He was playing us and knew his gun shouldn't have been on the field. It was indoor and close range, and getting hit by a stream of 7 balls close range hurts like hell and shouldn't be happening unless I was playing on or wiping or something, which I never do. Now I know what to say and prove his gun shouldn't be on the field.

actually all you have to do is keep pressure on the trigger and it pushes your finget back after you have shot.

[halB]

ok, assuming the adj of the rt could only be made with allen screws, so it could be reactive but not runaway, then would it be tournye legal

[BobTheCow]

actually it's adjusted by a tiny flathead screwdriver...plus it's mounted externally, and it's so loose that you can twist it yourself easily with your fingernail. Too bad, too, cuz I just spent the $100 for an RT to make my 98 LESS tourney legal.

[halB]

so if that adjustment thing were inside the grip, or if it was impossible to change w/o tools, then everything would be kosher?

[Peach]

Or if you set it, and then removed the part that sticks out of the gun.

[FalconGuy016]

hehe peach you cant, its all directly related and every part is neccessary

[BobTheCow]

yeah the hose on the outside links directly to behind the trigger, where it does its busines...it's kinda important...

[wimag]

Originally posted by Dayspring
This is easy to prove.

The ReTro Valve was designed to be a quick recharge valve. Due to the design of the valve, the reactive kick is a side-effect of the rapid recharge. Yes, it's effect goes up when the input pressure is increased, but it's hard, if not impossible to do on field and is bad for the gun. Plus, it's technically a malfunction of the gun when it happens.

The Tippmann Reactive trigger is there for no other reason than to speed up the trigger action and have that sweetspot. Tippmann did nothing to change the valve to recharge faster. This uses left over gas to kick the trigger, and that level of kick is adjustable w/o tools.

See the difference?

Exactly!! Excellent way to put it.
But i still love the malfunctioning :)

[mark_426]

On my RT there was a nut to lock the adjustment knob. It is also possible to turn the knob off and tightnen the nut. This turns it into a normal, more responsive, 98 trigger. Also, the air flow is not adjusted with a screwdriver, but the fitting going into the power tube is. I know a little bit about them, so if anyone has questions, PM me. mark

[LittlePaintballBoy]

what about auto response frames? phil said anything that fired more than one ball per pull is illegal. what if it does fire one ball on the pull but also fires one on the release? eh,eh?

[cphilip]

Auto response frames are illegal by NPPL rules as well. So it depends on wether those rules are applied...

[Lopy-slopy]

I don't think this hole tippman RT tourney legal thing is THAT much of a big deal because the kind of tournees the average tippy user would play in are small ones where they don't enforce many of the ruels and you could probably get away with it.

[Jack & Coke]

The arguement of whether it was "designed to do that" or it is "malfunctioning" is kinda funny.

The fact remains:

- Both the Automag RT and the Tippy RT have their triggers assisted on the return stroke of the pull via air pressure.

- If you're the trigger, you are pulled back to fire the gun via finger pressure. After one shot is fired, you are pushed forward via air pressure.



The only differences that the trigger sees are:

- How much pressure pushes the it back.

More pressure = "Sweet spotting"
Less pressure = "snappy reactivity"

- The name and reputation of the company that makes the gun.