Taiwan Paintguns, some look Strangely Familiar...

[jwyke]

Originally posted by Jerhew
in the name of greed...

Part of our American system is called capitalism where companies or individuals produce a product or provide a service for which they charge a proce in the hopes of making a product. No profit = no company.

If you have an objection with the way a company does business, don't buy thier products. If enough people don't buy the products the company goes out of business.

Personally, I consider the origin of a product in looking at a purchase. I definitely will buy an American made product before a foreign produced one if the option is available. My personal choice.

Orr makes great markers... people buy them... sounds like good business to me.

[FalconGuy016]

Man it doesn't even look like they did anything themselves besides getting a bunch of 2k2 cockers and putting shiney parts on them

same with the other guns, they are SO blantantly copied, I wouldnt be surprized if they had no part in manufactering them at all

[speedyejl]

It wouldnt be that bad if they called it the Anubus Cocker but claiming it is their own is ridiculous.

[FooTemps]

Wow... I think taiwan has offcially surpassed hong kong in bootlegging... Man, I need to go back there sometime. If I can get it back over to the US I'll buy one and post a review.

[SeeK]

I can't wait until they start producing paintballs. Imagine the shooting costs dropping by 50% or more likely the volume of paint going up 100%.

[ezrunner]

hmm

Now I have to wonder about the quality of paint shipped in a container from china to the US and then carried by truck to the destination.

Those are not favorible conditions for our friend the paintball.

-rob

(TC maybe?)

[GT]

Why do I get the feeling that these arnt knockoffs?

Next question,
Tom when you guys outsource, contract out, some of the machining is it all on US soil?

jb

[-=Squid=-]

Originally posted by gtrsi
Why do I get the feeling that these arnt knockoffs?

Next question,
Tom when you guys outsource, contract out, some of the machining is it all on US soil?

jb

BEcause the webmaster said they werent?

[AGD]

I am absoulutely, positively telling you that all of the parts we have custom made are made here in the states(or in the case of xmags, England). There may be things like fittings or guages that are made somewhere else but all of the stuff we design is made here.

There is huge pressure on us to lower prices though. Our parts cost for a basic gun is well beyond what the retail price is from overseas. Its going to be up to you to decide if your willing to pay more for products made by people dedicated to your sport.

This brings to mind the events of the 70's when the Japanese started importing cheap cars. The cry went out to "buy American" but mostly no one cared. Now the imports have a larger share of the market than the home growns.

Not a single VCR has ever been made in this country. Our TV industry is now dead and gone. It's a coin toss to see if our paintball industry can hang in there for the long term.

It's exclusively your decision.

AGD

[FooTemps]

Well, if we stay innovative and if we have that drive to stay on top of the paintball world... We've got it locked down.

[Jerhew]

beat me to it footemps
have to stay one step ahead of them(if not 3 or 4...)

[FooTemps]

3 or 4 gets you in the position of AGD... lol, sorry Tom but I think you know what I mean. I mean, if you look around mags are outnumbered even though they are a couple steps ahead of the competition.

[ezrunner]

?

I'm wondering, how is the mag really ahead of the competition?

I look at the paintball market and I see a few things that are really important to a tourney player:

Rate of Fire
Reliability
Ease on Paint
Consistency / Accuracy
Efficiency
Weight
Ease of Maintanence

The Xmag (AGD's Flagship for now) has good standings in each of these categories.

What I'm wondering is how can it be said to be a couple steps ahead?

The biggest advantages I see to the mag are the simple system and the dual modes of fire (E v/s Manual).

Many electros have a sensor to detect the presence of a ball so as not to chop paint.

Electros can all be adjusted to a rate of fire that is all but full auto. That is almost a non-issue.

The mag is very reliable for long periods of time. The only thing I can think of that is a pain is the power tube oring and the bolt spring. These both take a lot of time and paint to wear out.

Consistency/Accuracy, well, it's a 1000 dollar gun w/ a dual regulated air supply. I'll leave this as a given.

Efficiency: the mag could improve here. I'm not going to jump into a religious discussion, but there are markers that do this better.

Weight: well, each player wants a differnt feel. While the mag is not the lightest gun out there, not everyone wants a feather weight marker. By mag in this context I mean xmag.

Ease of maintanence: the mag is a testament to easy of care. That is a huge selling point.


How can the mag be said to be steps ahead?

Well, the dual modes of fire offer the ultimate backup, the one you carry on the field.

The design is very reliable and consistent.

The efficiency (# of shots per tank) could improve but is not in the bad range at all.

One thing that has to change is perception. We need to see more, good, teams shooting this gun.

As you see pro's and other high caliber talent using these markers, people will pick up on them more.

That is the biggest thing. I can't think of anything my race framed aka merlin does that an xmag wouldn't.

The cocker is a little lighter and does get a lot of shots per tank, but those are the only two benefits.

The mag is more tolerant of conditions and has the dual modes of fire. If my cocker's electro frame goes down, I'm w/o a gun in the game.

Would I trade the cocker for an Xmag? Probably not, it took me 3 years to get all the stuff to build it.

Would I shoot an Xmag? Heck YEAH. To me walking onto a tournament field is business. You go as a professional, one part of that is taking equipment that works. I don't care about looks so much as whether or not this marker will make it w/ me all day at an event. That is what matters.

-rob

[FooTemps]

Ok, agd stopped advancing after a while... But I mean, AGD first came out with the N2 idea... That got rejected but Air America took the idea up later. Then AGD comes out with the powerfeed... and they lose it to another company. Then AGD comes out with the RT, fastest recharging valve. Then the emag comes out with dual modes. You get the trend? They've at least had some advancement that hasn't been seen on any paintball gun. People thought n2 was dangerous when AGD brought it up. I don't know the deal with the powerfeed. Then the RT comes out... and people make reactive triggers. Then the emag comes out with dual modes... no one yet to do that...

[Dover]

tack on superbolts I and II; and working in conjunction with Pro-Team Products on the Micromag series markers, Flatline series nitro tanks, and Warp Feed.