what % of the game is skill/equipment

[Bubonic Plauge]

Depends on the equipment

Well, its going to be 90% skill 10% equipment IF all the equipment on the field is equal. Its obvious that if you have a pump you will have diffuculty hanging with a semi, not that it cant be done, but its not as easy.
My question is, does having a mag, warp fed, shooting over 20 balls a second going to give you an extreme advantage? Seems so, multiple articles have been stating it is hard to compete against warp fed mags.
Wouldnt that tend to prove that equipment makes a bigger difference than we want to believe?> WHy dont we all get 500 round hoppers and just unload with a warped level 10?
There used to be a hopper called the Dominator Commander that held 330 rounds....if I could only find it again...

Craigegg

[nerobro]

there was also a vl3000 And the original halos held 220 rounds versus the 170 of now. *grins* much more than a pod just isn't worth it.

[shartley]

[nerobro]

well put.

[darklord]

Originally posted by xen_100


I agre with LAW.......I have goone up against tourny player with thie angels and timmy and whatnot with my phantom. it only tkaes one ball to eliminate. anyone that thinks you really NEED 15+ BPS to be a contender in the game........doesn't have game to begin with.

You implying I don't have game? Okay buddy

Yes, yes, yes.... the "only one ball to eliminate" anthem repeated by "snipers"..... Let me ask you this: can you burn a lane with a phantom? Or even lay down some cover on a bunker with a phantom? If someone tried to cover my bunker with a phantom, I'd be more likely to have the courage to pop out and try to eliminate you. I'm not saying you can't win a game with a talon, or any stock-class gun. I'm just saying that equipment plays more into the game than a measely 10% like most people have said. Oh yeah, spell check is your friend.

Sorry but unlike most of you I think that having a high rate of fire plays a part in most games. And to the guy who commented about Bad Company.... they use ELECTRO spyders, with sear tripping frames that I believe can be set up to 14bps. If you ask me, that's a pretty good rate of fire. It's one thing if you're using a phantom on a team where you have a few back players with fast guns. It's also one thing if you're in a stock-class tournament. It's another if you're an all stock-class team against a team of similar background with some fast guns.

I totally agree with the reliability issue as a factor. But don't lie to me and tell me that in the whole world of paintball, ROF isn't an issue. Why else did the industry jump from mechanical semi-autos to electros capable of ridiculous rates of fire?

[joeyjoe367]

Originally posted by shartley

Shartley, go back and read my post. I think my description is the best, if I don't say so myself

It doesn't encorporate percentages at all>.

[shartley]

Originally posted by joeyjoe367


Shartley, go back and read my post. I think my description is the best, if I don't say so myself

It doesn't encorporate percentages at all>.

[TheJester]

the equipment doesn't make the player, the player makes the player, if you're good, you're good rather you're shooting an angel IR3, or an eagle talon. but just cause you have an angel IR3, doens't mean you're good, that's why i usually don't take my gun out untill after teams are picked, people will almost always pick me just cause i "have a shinny, cool looking gun"

[mykroft]

Darklord: You did notice I mentioned that just about every gun is capable of 15+bps these days (Those Spyders sure are), the exception being pumps of course.

That doesn't make the Spyder an equal of an Angel. It's less consistent and less reliable than an Angel.

In today's market, reliability and consistency are the major differentiators, not ROF (Unless you're talking about a Matrix). When a gun going for $99 can hit 15 bps, ROF is no longer a real differentiator.

[darklord]

Originally posted by mykroft
Darklord: You did notice I mentioned that just about every gun is capable of 15+bps these days (Those Spyders sure are), the exception being pumps of course.

That doesn't make the Spyder an equal of an Angel. It's less consistent and less reliable than an Angel.

In today's market, reliability and consistency are the major differentiators, not ROF (Unless you're talking about a Matrix). When a gun going for $99 can hit 15 bps, ROF is no longer a real differentiator.

I'd love to see a video of someone pulling out a mechanical spyder straight from the box, gassing it up, and pulling 15+bps....

this whole argument whether or not ROF makes a difference is making me tired...

[shartley]

Tastes great!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[mykroft]

darklord: Are you deliberatly misunderstanding me? The marker is certainly capably of that speed, and it's incredibly cheap to equip it with an electro frame, so you can shoot it that fast, or just save some money and get a $99 Black Dragun (which is an electro btw).

[paintballbeaver]

its all Skill man My favorite example Bad company and tippman effect

[smilestyler]

Originally posted by shartley
Tastes great!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Less filling!

[hitmanng]

Originally posted by darklord
Yes, yes, yes.... the "only one ball to eliminate" anthem repeated by "snipers"..... Let me ask you this: can you burn a lane with a phantom? Or even lay down some cover on a bunker with a phantom? If someone tried to cover my bunker with a phantom, I'd be more likely to have the courage to pop out and try to eliminate you.....

I totally agree with the reliability issue as a factor. But don't lie to me and tell me that in the whole world of paintball, ROF isn't an issue. Why else did the industry jump from mechanical semi-autos to electros capable of ridiculous rates of fire?

First off, I would not need to "burn a lane with a phantom" I would lead the target and shoot you out. Ever been deer hunting. Try burning a lane with a shot gun.

Yes you are more likely to pop out when playing against a pump. That is what makes you so easy to hit.

Is ROF an issue in the industry? Of course it is, they are selling a product and they will make what people want to buy. CCI makes a lot of money on the phantom because it is a great marker. AGD makes a lot of money on the E-Mag for the same reason. As long as people want faster guns someone will sell them one.

Must admit that there is a big difference between a phantom and an E-Mag and you have to have a lot more skill to eliminate a player with a phantom than an E-mag. That is Shartly's point about a sliding percentage. Give a great warrior any tool and you will see something special. Give hima a great tool and you still get something special.
It really only takes one ball to eliminate the player. The question is how many do you need to shoot to hit them? If you are great it may only take one. If not, you may need to burn a lane for 3 seconds. What that like 25-50 balls?
Wow you have a 2-4% kill ratio. Man percentages stink.
Hitmanng