Action Persuit Games Article p144 OMG WTF?

[ogre55]

Shartley:

As is almost always the case you have beat me to punch on AO. It's almost supernatural. Spiderman has spider-sense. Daredevil has radar-sense. Dante (from Angst Technologies) has addict-sense. Shartley apparently has AO-sense.

Anyway, the only thing I would like to add is that this is the only sport (that I am aware of, anyway) that is trully co-ed on all levels. From rec ball to tourney ball. From rookie, all the way to the pros, women compete with and against men on an equal level. There is no handicapping for teams with women on them or all female teams.

I am not even sure if Title 9 would apply to paintball if it were an officially sanctioned college sport as it is strictly co-ed. But I am getting ahead of myself. Raehl, can you chime in on this one. Have you dealt with this problem yet?

Ogre

[mykroft]

Gotta agree with Shartley on this one.

He somewhat glosses over the fact that Afirmative Action is explicitly Racist/Sexist( positions are handed out based on sex or race, that's a textbook example of discrimination, no matter what is used to justify it) .

And frankly, I'm having a hard enough time finding 4 good players who are willing to work as a team, commit to regular practices and aren't either primadonnas or annoying twits. I really don't want to have to restrict my options based on somebody's plumbing.

Frankly, Paintball is a sport that women should be able to excel at. The strength requirement is minimal (Sure my gun is heavy, but there are excellent, light setups out there), physical size is a disadvantage and running is limited to short sprints. Frankly, due to size issues, women have a distinct advantage as front players. Their only disadvantage is that most women players aren't terribly aggressive.

And as Shartley says, a sport that involves shooting people isn't going to attract a significant number of women anytime soon.

[aaron_mag]

We all agree on this issue but we definetely do not agree on Title 9/affirmative action. Lets not even go there!!

[shartley]

Originally posted by breg
I agree with whoever said that APG is the biggest joke in Paintball Magazines. I really can't abide by a publication where better than half the content is ads.

[ogre55]

Originally posted by aaron_mag
We all agree on this issue but we definetely do not agree on Title 9/affirmative action. Lets not even go there!!

I think you misunderstand. I am not condoning,promoting or vilifying Title 9. Colleges have paintball teams now, although they are are classified as clubs, rather than team sports. There is even a National Collegiate Paintball Association.

If a college adopts paintball as an official sport, than it would fall under the purview of Title 9. All I said is that because men and women compete with and against each other in paintball, Title 9 may not apply.

I hope I have clarified my statement.

Ogre

[nippinout]

I sometimes pick up APG just for all the pretty ads in it. :)

I don't bother for magazines really. I'm not part of the 2%. I'm the 98%.

I think Centerflag magazine is going to focus on rec/scen games. Thank Jebus someone wants to focus on the bread and butter.

[breg]

Don't get me wrong, I've owned every copy of APG since I started playing (about a year now). It's like a car accident. I can't not read it. Call it a guilty pleasure. But I still say that there are a lot better magazines out there.

[BTAutoMag]

if that many women wanted to paintball and did tournies we wouldnt need a rule. the problem is that if that is passed (it wont) you will have girls out there with no skill who are just doing it so the team can play

[magnj]

APG sucks, I wish I could get my money back...
Anyway, I read that article too. Very stupid. I dont see any discrimination going on, it's just a lack of players. Im sure if a girl showed up on a pro team and played, people would respect her and no one would say :" im not playing with a girl"

[shartley]

Originally posted by magnj
APG sucks, I wish I could get my money back...

If you really feel that way, I am sure they would be more than happy to give you your money back.... after all, you did present your thoughts and feelings in such a mature and clear manner.

Why don't you call them up?

[Webmaster]

yeah - I saw this 2-3 weeks ago.

Here is a scan of the article:

http://mister44.com/projects/quota/quota.jpg

and here is my op ed I sent to APG which will probably get printed:

http://mister44.com/projects/quota/quota.doc

[hitech]

Originally posted by Webmaster
...and here is my op ed I sent to APG which will probably get printed...

Let us hope so. BTW, it was very well written.

[shartley]

Originally posted by hitech


Let us hope so. BTW, it was very well written.

Yes, it was okay.

[Tom Sparkman]

Very good. I look forward to seeing it in APG.

Tom

[Webmaster]

"Yes, it was okay."

WOW! It was almost - could possibly construded as a positive comment!

This one is going on the fridge! ;o)