Shooting faster makes you better?

**JAM** · 03-05-2003, 01:48 PM

I guess i agree to a point, shooting faster doesn't make you a better player, but it increases the chances that you'll land a good accidental hit... If you throw one average shot at someone, you do have much less of a chance of hitting them than if you shot 30 fast shots towards them. Equipment does make a difference- accuracy depends on pressure/ valve/ reg consistency, etc. and playing against a group of players of the same level with superior equipment will have the odds in your favor. BUT if someone's a much better player than I am, it doesn't matter too much what the equipment is, I'm done for.

-j

**Bubonic Plauge** · 03-05-2003, 01:51 PM

Statistics

You could also add mere stats to the picture. If target "A" shoots "X" amount of paint at me, and I shoot 5"X" at target "A", statistically I have an advantage. Yes, there are other factors you must rule in (cover etc) but the fact remains.

CraigEgg

**shartley** · 03-05-2003, 01:59 PM

**LaW** · 03-05-2003, 02:17 PM

Playing with a warp, and playing against people that have warps. I still don't see a decisive advantage for someone with a warp. I don't find it hard to play against someone with one at all.

So your saying by shooting a case/kill it makes you a better player? I think the way everything is going with ROF paintball will eventually lose its appeal to the masses, at least tournament play. It is when the emphasis turns from team work and playing smart to who can sling more paint and spend the most money.....

my 2cents

**Patron God of Pirates** · 03-05-2003, 02:47 PM

I don't want to be able to shoot 20 balls per second so that I can shoot a stream of twenty balls in one second. I want it so I can shoot 5 balls in 1/4 of a second.

Each ball increases the chance of a hit and break, an a smaller time frame gives my target less opportunity to dodge.

Thats ROF form a front players perspective.

**askman** · 03-05-2003, 02:48 PM

the main difference between real life and game is this. In military situation, you are limited to what you carry. Typically 12 clips (360 rounds) is a load for infantry. The reason military went to .223 caliber was because it is lighter. also soldiers has to carry full pack all day long, forced march, etc..

Paintball is a game. Lets not lose sight of that. with its own rule. It is designed so that slinging lot of paint is an advantage. (also good for the manufacturer and field owner) Will game be different, if there is limit on paint that player can carry? I think it would make it more fun. takes more thoughts/planning, etc. how about per team limit, rather than person limit. that way team can divvy it up the way they feel is best utilized also, dead can leave the paint where they were killed. will it improve the game? I think so. less spray and pray , more deliberate firing.

**joeyjoe367** · 03-05-2003, 03:00 PM

I wouldn't say that being able to shoot faster directly effects your skill level. Moving around, finding angles, etc.. has nothing to do with your gun. Heck, you could run around in a speedball game and do exactly that, but you'd never score eliminations without a gun.

10 bps or 14 bps may or may not make the differance between getting the elimination you worked hard, moving around and communicating to get. You have a statistical advantage, as was already stated.

Warp Feeds, again, give you a statistical advantage. By reducing your profile, it decreases the chance of getting hit.

All this "Rate of Fire" crap is due to the inheriant(sp?) innaccuracy of a sphere traveling at muzzel velocities of 300 fps. Accuracy by volume is the only way to go in this sport, and it's not going to change until our medium ( a new ammunition ) changes.

**Ultimator** · 03-05-2003, 03:04 PM

Why would the millitary spend billions of dollars to have greater firepower (ROF, explosion radius, snitchs, air, navel, etc...)if it was all about the soldier?

You are comparing apples and oranges here. Modern-day paintball has absolutely nothing in common with the military. Like SHartley said, you can't really make a valid argument comparing paintball to the miltary.

... to who can sling more paint and spend the most money.....

Paintball has been like that since day one. It was about who can buy the most 10 round tubes and 10 grams at one point but the same logic can be applied. This is the entire reason that paintball is where it is today. People weren't satisfied with Nel-Splats, so the arms race began.

**Quiet** · 03-05-2003, 03:17 PM

Okay, look at this scenario:

there are two of me, one shoots an RT at 6 balls a sec, the other shoots an e-mag at 12 balls a sec. Lets say that one out of every 4 balls bouces and doesn't break. Both of me pop out of of their respective bunkers for 1/2 seconds of snap shooting. With the e-mag 6 balls are travelling at the opponent and with the RT 3 balls. Say I only land a third of my shots when snap shooting. Now two shots land using the e-mag and only one with the RT. Take the bounce stat from earlier and the RT me has a 75% chance of getting an elimination and the Emag me has two chances at 75% to get the elimination.

Equipment makes a difference, but once you get past a certain threshold level the returns you get from increasing it drops significantly. On the other hand it is improvement you can buy and if you're really close to the top, every bit helps.

My buck fiddy

**LaW** · 03-05-2003, 03:20 PM

Dont give me this scenario crap... Geez I am sick of hearing some of this stuff. Scenario's are not valid arguments

**Ultimator** · 03-05-2003, 03:28 PM

Originally posted by Quiet
Okay, look at this scenario:

there are two of me, one shoots an RT at 6 balls a sec, the other shoots an e-mag at 12 balls a sec. Lets say that one out of every 4 balls bouces and doesn't break. Both of me pop out of of their respective bunkers for 1/2 seconds of snap shooting. With the e-mag 6 balls are travelling at the opponent and with the RT 3 balls. Say I only land a third of my shots when snap shooting. Now two shots land using the e-mag and only one with the RT. Take the bounce stat from earlier and the RT me has a 75% chance of getting an elimination and the Emag me has two chances at 75% to get the elimination.

Equipment makes a difference, but once you get past a certain threshold level the returns you get from increasing it drops significantly. On the other hand it is improvement you can buy and if you're really close to the top, every bit helps.

My buck fiddy

Uh, wow, congratulations you just applied a bunch of random crap to a random scenario. Sorry, but you're better off just deleting that post. I don't see how you proved a point at all.

EDIT: Paintball is nowhere near to all those statistics you just pulled out of nowhere. Getting a bonce is completely random and half the other stuff you mentioned are just made up. You can't argue using hypothetical situations. If for some reason you had a point to posting that please make it more clear.

**TheJester** · 03-05-2003, 03:36 PM

Re: Shooting faster makes you better?

well speed doesn't reflect skill, speed really is only a supression thing, to keep that kid w/ the pump from coming out and hitting you w/ 1 ball, you're gonna shoot 15/second at his bunker. speed is over rated, yes, we all want to shoot faster, but the only reason why we want to shoot faster is just so we can say we can...braging rights nothing more. you see it all the time, horse power in cars is a good example, why do you need a car w/ 400 horses when the speed limit is only 65(75 in the south) on the highways? because you can, and because you then have braging rights

Originally posted by Bubonic Plauge
why are people saying it is hard to compete against warp fed mags?

there's more to a warp feed than just a fast feed rate, such as different shooting angles. you never hear any 1 complain hor hard it is to compete against some 1 w/ a halo when they both feed at the same rate. i think most of the warp issue is in their head...that big thing on the side of their gun is what's doing the work...it's easier to say that then just say damn, that kid's better than i am

**Quiet** · 03-05-2003, 03:40 PM

Tell me this LAW - if the marker doesn't make a difference, why is it you a ponying up the cash for an SFL

Ultimator - The point was not to prove a point, the entire purpose of that was to get you guys stirred up. Regardless of any statistics/proofs/facts people can and will throw together any argument that supports their personal belief.
P.S. I have never seen a good argument that shows that with all other things held equal a better marker won't help your odds.

I have yet to see anything decisive to one side or other. I use a retro-mag because I know I can trust it to do what I need and have seen no clear argument for me to throw more money to make myself better.

**LaW** · 03-05-2003, 03:50 PM

Originally posted by Quiet
Tell me this LAW - if the marker doesn't make a difference, why is it you a ponying up the cash for an SFL

Ultimator - The point was not to prove a point, the entire purpose of that was to get you guys stirred up. Regardless of any statistics/proofs/facts people can and will throw together any argument that supports their personal belief.
P.S. I have never seen a good argument that shows that with all other things held equal a better marker won't help your odds.

I have yet to see anything decisive to one side or other. I use a retro-mag because I know I can trust it to do what I need and have seen no clear argument for me to throw more money to make myself better.

I have a simple answer for that, because i have the cash. I am going from an emag to an sfl emag... same exact marker

I also play with a tracer pump from time to time. But the answer to your question is because I have the cash to spend...

Shooting faster makes you better?

Shooting faster makes you better?

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