Shooting faster makes you better?

[Jerhew]

there are so many variables involved
that it'd be silly to say what percentage is what

of course better equipment in general will help your game(or if you're a pessimist, it'll be less likely to make you worse )

rof is only a tiny chunk of everything it is to be able to play this game well.
as is marker profile...sure it helps but it won't win you a game by itself

you have to also factor in the marker's accuracy(which includes valving, consistency..etc), reliability and ability to not break balls. The quality of the paint, which also affects accuracy and ball breaks(both inside your gun and on the player you're trying to eliminate)

and most importantly, you have to factor in the players skills. A short list of player skills include:
running(which in itself includes both speed and quickness), snapshooting, shot accuracy(in general), strategy, decision making...by far an incomplete list but you get the idea

the point is
don't worry about analyzing it so much
just get out there and play
too many kids see this emphasis on equipment
they see a thread like this where people are saying it's 50% skill 50% equipment
"mommy bought me an angel, im half way there already"
grrr

i will say there are certain pre-requisites for equipment
but i don't count rof as being that high on the list
id like to see more posts about
"does the dependability of my mag give me an advantage?"

[SyntaxError]

There is WAY too much emphasis on equipment. As long as the marker is comfortable and works, its all up to the player. There are still SO many people who suck and have tons of high end gear, it obviously doesnt make the player any better.

[AcemanPB]

Simply put: The more paint you have in the air the greater the chance you'll hit someone :)

[PzYcO]

if you depened on your ROF that much, you have no skill so your basically spray`n`pray which is pretty stupid

[jayloo]

Personally I use high rate of fire for suppression and hitting that guy on the run. Other than that 2-3 ball bursts works great ... never know if the first 1 will break.

PzYcO, I agree with you. Plus while the guy is shootin away he's lettin u know his position and focus. Go gog him.

[Tack]

Many things about this argument can be looked at from different points of view.

Players with good equipment will fall into two different catigories in my honest opinion.

Catigory 1: rely on shooting alot of paint and not moveing. Hiding in a bunker and not useing their marker to the it's fullest. Those players will think they are better because they can shoot 16 bps out of a bunker and get some luckey eleminations.

Catigory 2: Players that will find that useing a better, faster, tricked out gun raises their abilities. They are more confident, dareing, and willing to duke it out with other players.

The catigory 1 players will always feel let down with their marer because no matter how expensive it is, they will continue to get eleminated and never have a positive hit to be hit ratio. They will spend more and more money on the latest thing. Think they are happy when everyone at their field swoons over their new toy, but still play the same game.

The catigory 2 players will be happy with their guns, learn how to use them to their abilities, and evolve into better players becaus of it.

I own a Emag, an Angel, and a Retro-Mag. All fast shooting, high end markers. Before that I played with a Tippmann 98, a Genie, and a VM-69. I must say that in my personal experience, getting a fast shooting gun allowed me to feel more confident in my abilities. I could now go toe to toe with other players on the field. That lead to me being more willing to move out of a bunker or stand across the field and dump as much paint on an opponant as they were dumping on me. Has my skills improuved since I got my Emag? YES! Am I the best player to ever play the game? NO! However am I willing to go up against the best in the buisness now? Hell yah.

So hopefully in my rambeling my point was made. Will a high powered, super fast gun make you a better player? Yes and No. You must evolve as a player to match your gun. If you don't you will be the one at the field who everyone laughs at after a day of play because you paid $1000.00 or more for your gun but got shot out every game and only shot 2-300 rounds during the day.

[�.C.]

I too believe equipment makes a big difference, but only for the experienced players(not exactly a tourney player but any player who knows when/how to shoot) The less experience the less impact the equipment makes.

As for the military thing, face it guys, as much as we want to the believe it we do not know much about military research. I've heard all the rumors about how our men/women in arms will carry lasers, sniper pistols, rail guns, rapidfire explosive shells, etc. We do not know what is true and what is not true. Unless you somehow work for the government, research for the military, or are soldier yourself I do not believe our points are valid for a clear arguement. Think about it, the government HAS TO tell lies to protect us. The media blabbers EVERYTHING and weapons research is one of those they most likely keep a secret.

[FooTemps]

Shooting faster is a sign of you getting better imo...

Not the kind of shooting faster that comes from a faster gun, but the kind from just shooting so damn much. It's like taking 11 bps on a timmy and bumping that speed up to 13 bps. That shows that you have improved your skills with your marker.

Shooting 4 bps on a spyder and 11 bps on an angel doesn't really help your game... Yeah, you can shoot faster but can you put those extra bps to good use? Shooting faster doesn't improve your reaction time or aiming skills, it just gives you more to work with.

[hitmanng]

Does equipment make a difference? Yes of course it does. It you lane shooting 19 bps noone can make it through that stream of paint.
The fact is that skill makes a much greatter difference. That is how Total greif maxed the All Americans using stock class against semi-autos.
Give a great paintball team pumps and a novice team e-mags and the better team will win.
That said, if teams are equal in skill, rate of fire and equipment will make a difference. The real question is how much is enough. In the example above the RT got one ball through the emag got two. With skilled players, they were almost equal, they both eliminated the player.
Take 2 great players and give one a emag and the other a 68 and no chops and I do not think that the equipment will determine the winner. The skill will.
Hitmanng

[Bubonic Plauge]

equip

I agree with Hitmang...all things being equal than its just skill. How often are all things equal?

Why do you think AGD...SP..etc, are engineering new guns? Technology. The better the gun, the better the team. Two teams equal in skill, one with very old technology vs one with new..guess who wins?

You have to realize that hitting a target (down a air shaft) with a laser guided missle from another continent(sp) is a Technological advantage. ROF doesnt have to equate to firepower. Firepower is a sum of many parts.

What I am surmising from the posts is that ROF may not be the "end all" booster, but overall gear is.
IF ROF did not make a difference, than why are players buying pod after pod belts that fit more paint? Or pods that open faster, easier? ROF matters, thats why. Warp feeds ROF dont help you say? Ok..but shooting upside down or sideways does help...thats gear.

Your gear gives you an advantage, its the same of any sport. Thats why many sports have stock divisions, drug testing, boxing weight divisions..etc.....

CraigEgg

"The greatest wisdom is knowing that you are not wise"
-Socrates

[hitmanng]

Re: equip

Originally posted by Bubonic Plauge
I agree with Hitmang...all things being equal than its just skill. How often are all things equal?

I am not saying all things equal I am saying a reasonable level of equality. If you can shoot it 6bps and fairly straight skill is a bigger factor.

Why do you think AGD...SP..etc, are engineering new guns? Technology. The better the gun, the better the team. Two teams equal in skill, one with very old technology vs one with new..guess who wins?

They make new and faster markers because people ask for them. At one time they all promised to cut things off at 13bps saying that was fast enough. What happened is called market pressure. People want something faster so to sell more markers they make something faster.
Depending on how old you are talking. You are talking you are right, you would not want a nelspot against an emag but give me a well tuned gun 3-4 years old maybe a B2K for a 1999 Cocker and I would say skill is the bigger factor.

What I am surmising from the posts is that ROF may not be the "end all" booster, but overall gear is.
IF ROF did not make a difference, than why are players buying pod after pod belts that fit more paint? Or pods that open faster, easier? ROF matters, thats why. Warp feeds ROF dont help you say? Ok..but shooting upside down or sideways does help...thats gear.

Any gear you add also often adds a hinderance. Carrying 1500 balls might be OK if your job is to stand in the back and cover a zone, but I would not want to run and slide into a bunker with that much paint. You keep asking why do people keep doing this if it isn't better, that is not a valid argument. Why do people invest in a stock that is at ten times it earning potential? Because everyone else is doing it and they don't want to miss out that's why. Warp feed has advantages and disadvantages. Using one or not is a personal decision. If you think it will augment the way you play then use it. It maynot be right for the next guy.

Your gear gives you an advantage, its the same of any sport. Thats why many sports have stock divisions, drug testing, boxing weight divisions..etc.....
CraigEgg

Paintball does have divisions they are not based on ROF, or gear, they are based on skill levels. Pro Am A Am B Rookie novice etc. Thanks for proving my point.
Hitmanng

[speedyejl]

Bubonic Plauge, Navel? Yea I guess belly buttons are focusing on more firepower.

Just to make a note about the millitary thing.

Right now the Air Force is creating a larger conventional bomb. Right now the largest is a 15,000lb bomb (The Daisy Cutter), well soon there will be a new bigger one. The bomb will weigh in at 21,000lbs, will be named a MAOB, and its blast will equal to a nuclear weapon. Its gonna be dropped out of the back of a C-130 at pretty damn high of altitudes.

Just something to throw in. I agree in general about heading more in the direction of percision. Its more of a terror weapon than anything else.

[Bubonic Plauge]

stock class

They do have divisions based on ROF. Stock/pump tourneys vs. semi tourney.

IF ROF didnt matter, than why are fully auto guns banned from Tourney's? Why is trigger bouncing illegal>?

It matters.

[speedyejl]

Full auto and trigger bouncing are banned because with them on you can't control how many times you fire. Which can easily lead to over shooting and over shooting is bad because it hurts. Make sense?

Also stock class is different than pump class.

[shartley]

Originally posted by speedyejl
Just to make a note about the millitary thing.

Right now the Air Force is creating a larger conventional bomb. Right now the largest is a 15,000lb bomb (The Daisy Cutter), well soon there will be a new bigger one. The bomb will weigh in at 21,000lbs, will be named a MAOB, and its blast will equal to a nuclear weapon. Its gonna be dropped out of the back of a C-130 at pretty damn high of altitudes.

Just something to throw in. I agree in general about heading more in the direction of percision. Its more of a terror weapon than anything else.