Phantom vs. Illusion

[Fred]

High ROF on the Illusion, and any other Non-AT pump comes down to skill and familiarity with the marker. I can shoot Non-AT with an illusion pretty fast, just by learning the right rythm.

The Phantom is a LOT lighter than the Illusion. Its a single tube design, rather than a stacked tube(inside a brick of aluminum...).

Lets not go there on the double trigger option...

[Krazy Ivan]

Hold up guys. Double trigger...now WTF are you smokin'? Thanks for all your input, I'm thinkin' I'm selling off an old 98 cocker I have laying around and getting the VSC Phantom with a 45 grip. I will have to check out Palmers though. However the lightness of the phantom is drawing me toward it. Also, auto-trigger and fast ROF doesn't mean much in stock class, so I don't really consider it a selling point either way.

[FalconGuy016]

Lol did you know the blade comes stock with an autotrigger

[Prezents]

What I shoot

I have an Illusion. Why?
I have played pump for the first 5 years of my 11+ years and all five with a tracer pump.
I had looked for a long time at the Phantom and then the Illusion.
I got the Illusion because:
1) I can convert from stock to regular pump in minutes.
2) more shots per 12 gram.
3) Looks I like the looks and style of the Illusion.

Hope this helps

[Spaceman613]

Id go phantom. www.bunkerboyzpaintball.com has good deals on them.

efficiency is stellar (Prezents you might have shot a badly sprung phantom, both guns are very close in the air usage area). Both can be swapped from stock to direct feed very fast, but the phantom can do right, left, and centerfeed. Cocker threads is the ONLY thing i like better about the illusion. But the CCI barrel and detent rings make it shoot very nicely.

I have 3 snipers (one is stock class) and a phantom, and 2 sterlings. Ill buy another phantom soon. Ill wait on the illusion. It not a bad gun by ANY means, I just feel the phantom is a better value. AND, with Mike's (CCI's) customer support, you will be happy.

OH, and Bunkerboyz will be selling J&J edge kits for the phantom soon, so if you need multiple bores, talk to them (yes I am biased towards them, they are very nice guys and will take alot of time to get the customer what he wants).

[Fred]

over all, you'll get better efficiency with the Phantom... I've gotten 40 or so shots at 280 out of a 12 gram with proper spring tuning.

[Krazy Ivan]

Hrm well. Checked out the Super Stocker, very nice, I talked to Glenn b4 during the summer, very nice guy and all. He was at D-Day at Skirmish, in PA. However I think my business will have to go to CCI!

Bunkerboyz is also now bookmarked thanks to you, I will be ordering my phantom, prolly with an urban anno, all for 287. Thanks guys!!

o, and the poll seemed to even out now, more to the opinions stated

[AlabamaMan]

One look at the phantom stock barrel and you will be sold i promise. I have never seen anything machined so perfectly. Infact the rest of the gun is just as sweet.

[joeyjoe367]

Anyone mind me asking what kind of threading CCI uses for their phatoms?

[ogre55]

Originally posted by Fred
over all, you'll get better efficiency with the Phantom... I've gotten 40 or so shots at 280 out of a 12 gram with proper spring tuning.

Fred, wasn't your Phantom tuned by Punisher. You will not get that kind of effeciancy out of an "out of the box" phantom.

I own two phantoms and I cannot recommend them highly enough. I did not vote because I have a lust for the Illusion however. But that's because I'm a gun 'ho and has nothing to do with actual performance.

Fact is that you can't go wrong with a phantom though. It's guaranteed happiness and satisfaction. I just can't say the same thing about the Illusion because I have had no personal experience with them.

Joeyjoe: Their threading is proprietary.

Ogre

[vdo_game_junkie]

Good decision! I haven't tried the Illusion, so I couldn't make any comparisons but I've had my Phanton for over ten years and still love it!

[Fred]

Originally posted by ogre55
Fred, wasn't your Phantom tuned by Punisher. You will not get that kind of effeciancy out of an "out of the box" phantom.

Nope, that was my first Phantom (that I traded... doh!).
It was a VSC with Microline, and i tuned it myself with a standard Nelson spring kit...

The UnderDogg gets 3 puffs to a 12gram... the integrated Sidewinder has way too much internal volume to use such a small air source... it does get around 450 to a 3.5 oz tank though....

I have a stock valve body for it, but I havn't done much with it since I play so little true stock class these days... and my bolt is loctited to allow for velocity adjustment via the Sidewinder.

---Fred

[WARPED1]

The people who told you the "phantom is like the Spyder" is friggin insane. The only other pump close in quality is the Sterling pump marker made in England.

[DogHouseDan]

[askman]

as a proud owner of automag pump, I will have to say go with mag, if you can find one.

Actually, phantom has lighter stroke, and it is lighter to carry. i like it.