Phantom vs. Illusion

[paint magnet]

No offense to CCI, which is a great company but I thought the Phantom stock barrel was a piece of crap. Waaay too large a bore, caused me to get bad accuracy and rollouts. And I'll shoot you if you say to 'get a detent ring set', yes that may help with rollouts but not with paint/barrel match

[WARPED1]

Use bigger paint, duh. LOL.

[Krazy Ivan]

bigger paint=cheaper paint.
Pump gun=less paint..

Damn, just start saving money everywhere huh

[Fred]

the only rollouts I've ever had were in 40* or less weather with unusually small marbalizer.

I typically shoot RP Premium and Big Ball... cheaper, and have never let me down.

The CCI stock barrel is big, but not HUGE.

---Fred

[Shane-O-Mac]

i would prefer an illusion. it just feels much better to me, neother one has any performance advantage over the other. i had 3 phantoms and i got rid of them and have stuck with my sniper2 for over 3 years now. i will soon be getting an illusion, and was very impressed with it at the shattner ball pump game. and i own many cocker barrels and the illusion takes cocker barrels. everyone is correct, the phantom barrel is the best, but i liked my J&J ceramic on it, as the ceramic has nicer shoot clean properties. it really depends on how you like to hold/shoot your gun, and the illusion works better for me, than a phantom.
Shane-O

[madmatt151]

Phantom, I guess....

Well, the Phantom is a great marker, this is why I voted. But as my sig says, I have myself a Sterling. Its a STP, made before Arrow Precision bought the company. It is equalled to no other. The pump action is smooth, and dead accurate. Mine does ave an Auto Trigger, but cannot be converted to SC. I mean I guess you could, but it would be weird. There is an exact copy of mine on ebay right now. I may buy it just for the hell of it.

Looky, here's mine...

[hitmanng]

I have shot both and bought a phantom. I say like any other marker shoot them both and then decide. The illusion has a much smoother pump stroke but is much bigger and heavier. I cannot describe how light a phantom vsc is. It is a dream. A lot has to do with your style of play too. For strict stock class I would go with the Phantom. If you are looking for a pump to throw a hopper and tank on I would go with the illusion. Pure cost you can pick up a used phantom VSC for $210.00 there are no used Illusions yet.
Hitmanng

[Fred]

madmatt- your pump handle is the Aarow handle... the Proline handle is round, not rectangular.. unless I'm sorely mistaken about them.

the handle is the major difference between the old Prolines and newer ones from Aarow...

Mine is a proline, gunmetal blue, with the round handle and a brass-lined barrel. I've got a turbo valve and new bolt in it now... as well as a female stab to adjust velocity. It's pretty fast!

---Fred