Suggestions about Piranha and Kingmann electros?

[joeyjoe367]

I owned an em-1 for about a week.

That had to have been the crappiest electronic trigger I have felt in my entire life. I had no beef with anything else on the gun, but the trigger was...

Eewww... disgustingly... ugh.

That's the only way I can describe it. It's pretty blocky for a stack-tubed blowback too.

I can't really recommend one unless you score it *real* cheap. Heck, you might like the trigger

[hitmanng]

I copied the following from a post about the new evil omen:

http://www.automags.org/forums/newreply.php?s=&action=newreply&threadid=72421

As I see someone pointed out PMI is the one really in charge of this project or making sure it is working since they are marketing it through PMI. So far I am a fan of the Evil people also. The paint and the Pipe are good quality. I have not seen a jersey in person but I assume the quality is good also.
PMI also has excellent customer service. So far they have been much like AGD as far as taking care of my issues.

Originally posted by nicad
my old post on the aardvarkdirect.com forums-

"got the chance to look over the Omen at WC..

sorry, NOT impressed.
the method of closed bolt is unique, ill give them that much.. but the thing reeks of cheezball. no way is it on the same par with angels, matrix's, cockers etc..
its an electric spyder with different working internals.
no "ram" per say.. i mean heck.. its still a freaking blowback system."

This is the basic question if is a blowback system less accurate? Less reliable? Slower? I have shot a lot of markers and while was not a fan of the Spider, I am a fan of the Piranha. I find it very reliable and I can shoot it fast enough that even when using my non-electric marker that nearly identical to the rental piranha get accused of using a better marker than the other players. I also own a Mag and it has been very reliable but less so as a level ten. While it is great when shooting it keeps blowing seals or leaking.
The E-force "a spider with an electronic grip" is actually quite amazing. Look at the february Facefull Mag Review:
Note: These are reviewed by the same person.
.............Piranha E Force G3.....WGP Orracle Autococker
Accuracy............2...................4
Rate of fire........5...................3
Gas Automomy........4...................3
Ball Breakage.......3...................4
Balance.............4...................4
Smooth firing.......4...................4
Stability...........4...................4
Maintainance........4...................3
Assembly parts......5...................5

It matched or beat the newest Cocker at everything except Accuracy and Ball breakage.
The accuracy issue between a closed and open bolt system will always be an issue for some people more likely this was a factor of stock barrel quality.
If you look at the price difference I think the E-force is a force to be reccond with.
I think it was Ronin that once said that he let his players pick out any gun they wanted and he payed for it, but in his mind a Piranha with an electronic grip was as good as an Angel and more reliable.
The Omen is in many ways is a souped up Piranha with a unique feed system that might include a closed bolt if that does it for you. It is a blowback system. I am buying one because of my experiance with the E-Force not in spite of it.

I own a mag have owned a spider and currently own 2 pirhanas one e-force and one none electronic. I amso have a Phantom but that is another story.

Ths fact is the E-Force is easily to best electronic gun for the money from a great company.
You can probably pick one up well under $200.00. Any problem you may have with it PMI is happy to fix.

If you have any more questions let me know.
hitmanng

[speedyejl]

chuey why dont you come out on the island? The IPS Arena (Empire, Indoor) and High Velocity (also Indoor) have BYOP nights during the week.

Also, I don't think there are many (if any at all) fields in the Southeren New York area that charges less than $100 a case for FP. There is a price to being the home of the Ground Zeros... I find that the level of competition is higher on BYOP nights.

Try coming out east it'll be worth it, during the summer Advantadge at Coram rocks. Also avoid going to Advantadge at Hauppauge (Indoor) like the plague, its just a bad place unless you are going for a Cousins Cup torunament or the sort.

[FeuerFri]

get a spyder compact 2k and a dermel. than look on www.ottersccustoms.com to see what to hack up on it, rip off of it, and put on it.

[ogre55]

Re: Re: Suggestions about Piranha and Kingmann electros?

Originally posted by FalconGuy016


Holy crap!! Is it field paint only? THATS FRICKEN EXPENSIVE!!

Welcome to NYC paintball.

Ogre

[ogre55]

Originally posted by speedyejl
chuey why dont you come out on the island? The IPS Arena (Empire, Indoor) and High Velocity (also Indoor) have BYOP nights during the week.

Also, I don't think there are many (if any at all) fields in the Southeren New York area that charges less than $100 a case for FP. There is a price to being the home of the Ground Zeros... I find that the level of competition is higher on BYOP nights.

Try coming out east it'll be worth it, during the summer Advantadge at Coram rocks. Also avoid going to Advantadge at Hauppauge (Indoor) like the plague, its just a bad place unless you are going for a Cousins Cup torunament or the sort.

Just avoid Cousin's altogether. But I can also vouch for Arena and High Velocity. I prefer Arena a bit more fieldwise, but HV has a much better proshop on the premeses

[speedyejl]

Don't compare the proshops, Arena just has feild goods.

IPS is North of the LIE on Rt 101. Since Arena is owned by IPS, and is only about 2miles south I guess they didn't feel they needed two stores that close.

Also Empire sells Zap Chronic as FP, and sells Zap Primer at $50 on BYOP nights. Compared to the Kickin' at HV its a world difference. I can't even count how many times that kickin' has bounced off people, even straight head on lens shots.

[Bront]

If you can, get one of the Piranha G3 E-forces (Not VTL's) if you want Semi-auto only electric trigger, or get one of the new 2K3 Piranhas (EXT if you can). The 2K3 EXT runs stock at around 250 PSI, comes with a nice reg and good internals, and the new E-force trigger. Yes it's a bit more expensive than the spyders, but it's more reliable, and performs quite well.

[speedyejl]

ha! 250psi

I owned a Pro TS G3, if I put the PMI below 750, boom shootdown. Not that the operating preassure means anything but its not 250psi by a long throw.

[xen_100]

I dont think you can get any blowback down to 250 PSI and have it reliablely operate AND still chrono worth a crap.

[chuey]

Thanks for the advice everyone, I havn't headed much to the LI fields I have to admit, although I am familiar with the area since I graduated from "Stoner" Brook about 5 years ago. I'm a bit confused now as I think I've come to realize that I want a gun to tinker with that is also armored tank like in play as my brother would say before he gave up the sport. The techs at cousin's are nice, they fixed one of my friend's Spyder's although it was kinda costly to fix a jammed O-ring basically $45. I have 2 cases of paint still and think I'm gonna hit up Fireball this Sunday just in case all the AO'ers will be out there, will be looking for yas. Coram sounds fun and might do that nice week so I can get some smokes and a steak at J & R's afterwards on the way back.

[chuey]

Quick update, I bought a bushy, will let you know how it goes.

[askman]

I think you will like bushy. It is much better than any blowback. that was my recommendation, as well as others... I hope you like it. it is great value for the money..

[chuey]

thanks ask. i looked into an autococker and someone had a '98 for sale for 150 made from sp parts it had a rock reg on it which sounded good, but i was scared to take it in as a project since i'm just a beginner in paintball. i can't shoot burst shots at my fields anyway so it was a good value compared to the B2K. If I like it I'll try to build a cocker, they are cool guns just different than a mag.

[askman]

cockers are fun though. THey are pretty simple once you figure them out, and looks more daunting then they are. I built mine from ground up. I do airsmithing part time, so I had lot of good part for cheap or as labor(some people have too much money, and have to upgrade a upgraded parts) I bought a KAP body kit for 135 shipped off ebay.(came with back block, 15 degree, angel feed) already had freak kit, so just needed a back. once it is timed and locked down, they are as reliable as anything. the problem is that people tinker too much with them. Mine is setup with 220psi input from sidewinder main reg, and have really short trigger pull that is crip and light.(kapp frame) Don't really see a need for electro trigger. I used to be pistolsmith(mostly 1911 race guns for ipsc) before doing this part time, so I appreciate good crisp mechanical trigger.(my full time job is a research engineer building printhead)

even though I have everything upgraded, stock ones are pretty good as well. they needs to be tuned for best performance(stock tuning is made for reliability, not top performance, but not too bad) some late 2k2 cocker came with swing triggers, and they are good buy. I would avoid pre2k, unless you get it for cheap, fully upgraded. (I've seen 99 with top notch part go for 200 bucks)