Suggestions about Piranha and Kingmann electros?

[madmatt151]

No cousins?

Hey why should he stay away from Cousins? I have been going to them for years, and they are ok. I prefer thier field in Newburgh, but now that I have moved to Queens, Coram is closer. I visited IPS' indoor field and it is cool. They rent Mags with nitro, how smart. Chuey, where are these other fields you go to. I know SI, but where is this fireball mountain?

$100 case is normal here. ALthoug, let me tell you hwo suprised I was when I went on a trip to Skirmish and found out it was a half price weekend. We got cases for $50! In NY terms that was a GREAT deal! I mean even newbies bought a case because it was so cheap. They might have made more money that day then usual days. 40 people on our bus, 35 of them bought at leat one case.

[madmatt151]

JT Excellerator...

Oh BTW what about the JT? I too have been a bit bored and am using my fiance as an excuse to get a new cheap electro. How are the JT's? They are blue and she likes blue :)

[ogre55]

Counsins

I have heard nothing but bad things about Counsins, both in service and price. I also had the misfortune of experiencing their overinflated prices when I asked about a Pro-connect, which they were selling for $90. You can pick one up online for $45. I understand that there is a mark-up for brick and mortar businesses, but 100%? I don't think so.

Ogre

[nerobro]

Originally posted by xen_100
I dont think you can get any blowback down to 250 PSI and have it reliablely operate AND still chrono worth a crap.

Hop on PBN and drop into the kingman forum... I have at least 3 frequent users who will argue that. So will AKA, the black widows ran at 250psi.

Another note. While the bodys and guts are good. the JT frames are problematic at best. What became the JT guns was what we used to demonstrate the blowback at 30bps. Dragun body, M3 frame, 10oz co2, crossfire, and hyperflow air ;-)

[askman]

You can design anything marker to run at 250 psi, including blowback. with lower pressure, volume has to increase. there may be praticality issues, but I don't see why it cannot be done. Is it worth doing? I don't know. blowbacks by nature is associated with low end, so I don't think it makes marketting sense either.

[TimEmag00134]

more fields/cheaper paint

I can't answer your question about which gun to buy (personally I love a gun that I don't have to constintly have to fix/adjust like the Bushmaster that I use now or the Minimag and Emag that I used to own), but I might be able to help you on a cheaper place to play ball at.

If you like speedball fields then you can try Del Hobbies in southern Jersey (it will be a bit of a drive for you tho). You can also try On Target Paintball in Pemberton, they've got speedball fields and normal woods fields. It's still a bit of a drive, but about 45 min shorter than Del Hobbies. I believe that both fields will allow you to bring your own paint as long as you own your own equipment and their paint doesn't cost $100 (at least I don't think it does, I buy my paint from Hector's Outdoor Haven in Columbus).

[John Dresser]

Piranhas

The new 2k3 Piranhas do work at or below 250 PSI and shoot at 300 fps at @ 280 psi. This is a completely stock $200 gun and it is all sorts of reliable.

The G3 that wouldn't cycle below 700 psi didn't have the new body style and probably didn't have a turbo valve. Turbo valves will allow even older Piranhas to shoot @ 500 psi.

[askman]

I am curious, since I have not owned a blowback in years. Does the low pressure make a difference in chopping? Understanding how they work, I don't see how low pressure will help that much. The bolt spring is almost enough to cause chopping.... hmm or is it just a marketting hype?

[nerobro]

In a blowback low pressure can hurt the guns ability to not chop. people tend to use harder hammer springs, and hammer springs define how gentle a blowback is on paint.

[John Dresser]

You have it exactly right. Most people (aka) that try to make a high pressure gun into a low pressure gun use a super hard hammer spring to compensate for the lower pressure. That's why PMI didn't make the Piranha G3 guns go under 500 psi, you'd have to use such a hard hammer spring to take it up, you'd chop paint.

The new Piranha 2k3 guns have both a flat faced bolt and the lightest main spring ever in a blowback gun. PMI got the pressure down by making the whole gun just flow much better.

The new flat faced bolts aren't as high tech as the level 10 upgrade but they work really well to not chop paint. If you catch a ball still feeding on one of the new Piranhas, you just recock the gun and allow the ball to fall the rest of the way in.

[folder504]

Now if you want a real good tinkerer gun, get a Stingray. You can do ANYTHING to them. And they're so cheap, if you totally screw it up, you're only out like $40. If you swich the detent ball to a 10mm plastic bead, it will last pretty much forever. And if you have any problems, the people over at the Brass Eagle Owners Group forum (www.beog.org) are VERY helpful and VERY nice. Try to get a black one, their plastic is MUCH stronger than the clear junk.
Stingray Toters INternet Group - http://www.stinggroup.addr.com/

[chuey]

So I tested the BKO out finally.

Impressions? I was speechless. Electro markers are definately different. Trigger pull requires no effort, and I found myself outshooting the hopper, something I never really did with my minimag. BKO was accurate. I just ordered a used Mac Dev Gladiator and hope that this will take care of the shoot down. Need to loktite everything that comes "screwed" in. Makes me want to get an automag RT down the line. lol

[Brett23]

My suggestion would be either a pirahna eforce, or a Black dragun. Both are sweet for your blow back markers. I would take the eforce first though. PMI's cust service is pretty good. Not to mention the eforce is about as wide as a credit card lol (jk close to it though). Talk about your small target profile. Im going to get one soon just for rec ball to give the Emag a break.

[Just_a_Kid]

BKO for sure. I like tuning regs for the fun of it. $250 at www.pbgear.com They are great and you can really spray.