Cocker Hypes/Myths...

[Bubonic Plauge]

First off, in no way am I bad mouthing Autocockers. I never look down upon anybody's gun. Its like saying "your baby is horribly ugly" or something. Just dont do it.

However, why do so many people swear by this gun! The debate between open and closed bolts, high pressure low pressure has long been over.

It kills me when somebody at a pro shop says they shoot farther. With the exception of quantum pyhics, (which very few people in the world understand) the laws of phyics applied to a flying paintball are the same no matter what barrel they leave.

It has always seemed to me that these mechanical guns have so many ways to go afoul. Three ways, hoses, timing..etc etc etc...How many times have you been playing rec ball and had to wait for you buddy's cocker to get "fixed."

Maybe I should make a poll, "how many times have you had to wait for a cocker to get fixed?"

For all those who love cockers, thats great. I love all markers. What is the enigma with these?

Egg

[recoil]

I tried an EMag
I tried an Angel
I tried a Timmy

Cocker just 'felt' right when i used it so I ordered myself an Eclipse Cocker and she rocked, now with the EBlade on she rocks more....

What can I say, theres no particular thing that makes me love my marker.... I guess its the same with anything tho, why do some people love a certain car or a certain brand...

As for your question, I have never yet had to have my Cocker fixed... it was serviced when it was EBladed but apart from that she flys....

[pbcustom98]

Myths

I dont even care anymore about what people say about other guns. I use a mag because in my mind it feels "right", not because I hate other guns. Thats why I use it.. not because it has low pressure/high pressure, or other things. I could care less about that stuff. In your mind if a Tippmann 98 feels "right" to you, then by all means use it regardless of what people say to you.

Daniel

[HoppysMag]

lol i call peoples baby's ugly... they all look like yoda.

[Xerces]

everyone knows cockers are more accurate and have longer range. i mean common sense here people

[tobz]

Oh the irony...

Most of the people that you hear the cocker bs from, don't know too much about physics. You did have to use your own myth to describe a problem that all too often occurs to some people.

I hate the adage that "cockers are always broken".

I use a stock cocker, and just like the mag, they are made to rip right out of the box. I feel no need to upgrade my cocker, I get great efficiency, 8+bps with my hinge, good accuracy and the thing never falls out of time. I have no problems with re-timing my cocker. Maybe I should about every year or so, but that's about it. Basically, everyone's marker requires some maintenence, but a lot of people bring it upon themselves buy purchasing all these "great aftermarket parts" *cough* ans *cough* and then they wonder why they need to mess with their guns so much.

Most cocker people need to realize that once their gun is setup, it will probably stay setup and work great if they don't mess with it. Bah!

tobz

p.s. I own a cocker and a mag, love them both, purchasing a phantom soon.

[TheJester]

if you take care of your equipment, it won't let you down. i know a kid who has constant problems w/ his tipmann, which are known to be pretty sturdy guns, it's just cause he hasn't oiled it...like ever, and he just throws it in the trunk of his car after a game, doesn't even whipe the paint off it. all i know is, my next gun is gonna be a cocker...the new outkast to be exact

[LaW]

cockers make a cool noise because they have a moving back block.... That is soooooo cool!!! drool lol

[AzrealDarkmoonZ]

Many cocker owners do not buy into the double headed myth, cockers shoot farther, and cockers fall apart all the time. The cocker is a complicated marker compared to many others but it is still just 2 basic operation that can further be divided into 3-4 very simple steps.

Az, when ya get your cocker (cause everyone needs one) come on down to:

https://www.air-powered.com

[bunkermaster10]

markers

Yeah paintball markers are like certain brand clothes. You wear what you like and shoot what you like.

Example: Some people hate Abercrombie & Fitch but love Amercican Eagle but basically there the same thing down the road. Just like guns they can basically do the same stuff like shoot the same distance and have the same accurateness.

Get what I'm saying.

[nerobro]

I shoot a cocker.

Hello, my name is Nero, and I shoot a cocker. *bows head*

I own a mag. I own an electrogun. I own blowbacks. I've shot the best. timmys, angels, excals, vikings, bushmasters, shockers... And NOTHING really felt as nice as a well setup cocker.

I shoot a cocker for the feel. I spent a good coupple hours tweaking my trigger to feel the way I wanted it to feel. I can't do that with a mag. Sure there's a lot I can do to a mags trigger, but I'll never get it to feel "quite" right.

As for electroguns. I have this thing for feeling what's going on in a gun. I feel detached when I don't have a mechanical trigger. Though I will admit my latest gun is an electrogun, but I do have a microswitch installed with a good strong click so I still feel like I'm shooting something.

Range, LP, and open versus closed bolt are all closed topics as far as this forum goes. :-)

As for cockers always being broken. that's the USERS fualt. cockers don't break unless the user breaks it.

in the 4 years I've owned my cocker, I've had a grand total of two things break on it. The cupseal developed a slow leak. And my rock (a brass palmer rock... yes they were made) had it's safety blow off valve re-adjust itself to a level to low to be used.

I was living with the leaky cupseal untill the timing started to finally work it's way to a level that I'd be catching paint once or twice a day.

Up untill the rock incident, my mag had required more maintnance than my cocker. And I use my mag less. Anyone who calls a cocker unreliable is putting the blame in the wrong place. OR they're using ANS pneumatics.

However. I will NEVER sell my mag. Despite not having the trigger of my dreams. With the LX installed it's a functional as I could ever want it to be. It's a permanant member of my "actively used" gun collection.

[UTLadiesMan]

Re: Cocker Hypes/Myths...

First off, in no way am I bad mouthing Automags. I never look down upon anybody's gun. Its like saying "your baby is horribly ugly" or something. Just dont do it.

However, why do so many people swear by this gun! The debate ease of maintence, speed, and non-chopping has long been over.

It kills me when somebody at a pro shop says they shoot faster or don't break down as much. With the exception of quantum pyhics, (which very few people in the world understand) the laws of phyics applied to a hopper's feed rate is the same no matter what markerit enters.

It has always seemed to me that these mechanical guns have so many ways to go afoul. Valves, spacers, etc... How many times at the Dallas AO meet did I see Curtis fixing someone else's mag? (actually... I don't think a single cocker went down that day )

Maybe I should make a poll, "how many times have you had to wait for a mag to get fixed?"

For all those who love mags, thats great. I love all markers. What is the enigma with these?

UTL

[314159]

re: ANuS pneumatics

this broke while firing my cocker over a chrono.

other than the ram, my cup seal has just devoloped a slow leak. not too bad for a 98 cocker.

for everyone that asks, what can go wrong with a mag. i bought a used automag from a store (about 4 years ago) so i would not get burned. the store was in a mall, so i could not gass it up, but because it was a repuitable buisness, i trusted them. after spending 550 on the mag, 80 on air fittings. i find my mag HAS NO SERIAL NUMBER, so agd won't deal with it. i spend 30 on getting the reg rebuilt (vented out of the back), 80 bucks total on a new sear and a new bolt (the old ones were chewed up, causing gun to double fire). so now the gun fires... but it chops 1 in every 30 shots at 1 bps rof. i swap out the body, the frame, barrels. i try v nubbins, p nubins, plastic nubins, a parabolic feed plug. and i would still chop about 1 ball in 30 at slow rofs. so, at this point having dumped 1300 into a gun, i ebay it for 340..... then the lvl 10 comes out.

well the mag has very little to adjust, on the plus side, this means that you have less to mess up by messing with it. on the downside, if your gun is truely sick, you are screwed.

[pbcustom98]

Re: Re: Cocker Hypes/Myths...

Originally posted by UTLadiesMan
It has always seemed to me that these mechanical guns have so many ways to go afoul. Valves, spacers, etc... How many times at the Dallas AO meet did I see Curtis fixing someone else's mag? (actually... I don't think a single cocker went down that day )

Maybe I should make a poll, "how many times have you had to wait for a mag to get fixed?"

Even if I do have to wait..Chances are its an oring problem and is fixed in about 5 minutes.

Daniel

[Magaholic]

Not to put you down or anything, but the serial number on a mag is right there in plain view. Most people who do any research on mags at all know that one without a serial number won't be fixed by AGD. In my opinion, $550 for a mag without a serial number, no matter what it is isn't worth it. I hope you don't give any more business to that shop 'cause that wasn't a good deal. That's really too bad that your experience with the mag family was like that.

As for cockers, a friend of mine plays with one. He originally had a wgp hinge trigger on it. I played a game with it and didn't like it at all. The trigger just wasn't comfortable. He's since changed to the new dye trigger. (Don't know what it's called.) I shot it just a bit the last time we went out and it's a whole new gun! Very nice indeed! Cockers can be quite effective and good looking if set up right.