Cocker Hypes/Myths...

[UTLadiesMan]

Re: Re: Re: Cocker Hypes/Myths...

Originally posted by pbcustom98


Even if I do have to wait..Chances are its an oring problem and is fixed in about 5 minutes.

Daniel

An experienced cocker user should be able to fix any problems just as quickly.

[314159]

Originally posted by Magaholic
Not to put you down or anything, but the serial number on a mag is right there in plain view. Most people who do any research on mags at all know that one without a serial number won't be fixed by AGD.

well, i did not know that is where a serial number on an automag was. i had not even fired an automag up untill this point. i bought this from a local store so i would not get screwed, because i had no expierience with an automag. when i complained that they sold me an automag with the serial number polished off, they told me that they did not sell me that gun. when i told them that i had a reciept, they told me that they are not responsible for the used guns that they sell. when i asked for the information on the person selling it, they would not release it.

so, i lost about 1000 bucks on a gun that i never really got to play with. challange games can burn in hell too

[Ironlance7]

Most of my friends/teamates use autocockers. I am the only one with something different, my 68 automag. Personaly I perfer the automag because with the level ten it is so soft on paint and it is a little smaller and compact. However, I am impressed with my friends' abilities to play around with their setups and adcheive things like better gas effciency. When I compare my 68 mag, (its got a dye stanless, level ten, and some basics like nitro and a revy in case you wanted to know)with eighter of my teamates Black Magics the performance is almost identical. I really can't say one is any better then the other because in accrucary, distance, price including upgrades, speed, ect. they are just to close to each other. All in all, these are just both good guns and they perform to similar to each other for a single winner to imerge. So basicaly what I am trying to say here is just shoot what you like.

[PaInTbAlLeR476]

Re: Re: Re: Cocker Hypes/Myths...

Originally posted by pbcustom98


Even if I do have to wait..Chances are its an oring problem and is fixed in about 5 minutes.

Daniel

There is still something wrong with the gun that needs to be fixed, no matter if its an o-ring, bad sear, anything. The same thing could go wrong on ANY gun. Besides there is usually no reason that something should take longer then 15 minutes to fix, unless something is actually broken(meaning a new piece HAS to be purchades).

[pbcustom98]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Cocker Hypes/Myths...

Originally posted by UTLadiesMan


An experienced cocker user should be able to fix any problems just as quickly.

Any experienced (Insert Gun Name Here) user should be able to fix any problems just as quickly. Doesnt really matter the gun..Just matters whos working on it.

Daniel

[*ArKfEaR*]

Originally posted by Xerces
everyone knows cockers are more accurate and have longer range. i mean common sense here people

Its true... no sarcasm.

[UTLadiesMan]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Cocker Hypes/Myths...

Originally posted by pbcustom98


Any experienced (Insert Gun Name Here) user should be able to fix any problems just as quickly. Doesnt really matter the gun..Just matters whos working on it.

Daniel

Exactly... so that arguement doesn't hold much water either. Few arguements do... really, it's all just personal prefrence.

[nerobro]

Depending on the front end setup, cockers can be a real pain to work on. Though there are other guns that are harder to diagnose. *coughs* shocker *coughs*

[twiitch]

when i first looked at cockers i was overwhelmed because people made them out to be so complicated and have a crap load of internal parts, then i got one and learnt a bit about them, really the internal is simple, sear trips hammer, hammer hits valve, valve shoots air thru hole. and other part, trigger triggers valve, valve shoots air to ram that moves back block containing bolt... incredibly simple if u think about it, its the timing that makes people think they are hard

[Punk7918]

Mags and cockers both shoot the same distance but u can buy bodys for a mag at http://www.skanline.com/detail.asp?pid=34332 (not sure if thats the site) where the body puts spin on it so it travels farther and also has a nob on it so that u can adjust how much spin u want on it

[JEDI]

Re: Oh the irony...

Originally posted by tobz
Most of the people that you hear the cocker bs from, don't know too much about physics. You did have to use your own myth to describe a problem that all too often occurs to some people.

I hate the adage that "cockers are always broken".

I use a stock cocker, and just like the mag, they are made to rip right out of the box. I feel no need to upgrade my cocker, I get great efficiency, 8+bps with my hinge, good accuracy and the thing never falls out of time. I have no problems with re-timing my cocker. Maybe I should about every year or so, but that's about it. Basically, everyone's marker requires some maintenence, but a lot of people bring it upon themselves buy purchasing all these "great aftermarket parts" *cough* ans *cough* and then they wonder why they need to mess with their guns so much.

Most cocker people need to realize that once their gun is setup, it will probably stay setup and work great if they don't mess with it. Bah!

tobz

p.s. I own a cocker and a mag, love them both, purchasing a phantom soon.

I could reply, but tobz said it all perfectly already.

[tobz]

Thanks!

I owe some credit to Nerobro, he is the source for some of my knowledge.

-tobz

[Punk7918]

I always thought that cockers are a pain and that is why people hammered me about not getting one but i got one and it is so nice but i have no doubt that a mag would be no less

[Lopy-slopy]

Cockers are great if you like tinkering with your gun, cuz you have to. They can really rock but it seems like you have to be an ace airsmith to get the thing working. What with the like 80 moveing parts and timeing. I like a gun you gan just pickup and play.

[Carbon]

Its feel, its all feel. To those who know, thats what its all about. I play with the mag cause i like the way the trigger feels, solid and crisp. Mags are simple.

Cockers are RELATIVELY a little more complicated in its function, but for most well adjusted cocker shooters, the feel of a well tuned, properly functioning cocker is well worth the "risk" of things goin g afoul. For well adjusted cocker shooters know, there is a learning curve for cockers, maintenace-wise as well as shooting wise.

When cockers go afoul, for the most part, its usually user error, lack of maintence or just plain inexperience.

In any case, the type of paintball gun u play with ought to complement your playing style or your "feel" preference. Anyway thes just my $.02