Matrix or Timmy or Angel?????Help!!!!!!

[Cliffio]

Originally posted by boomerfoxtrot
I thought the Angel IR3 had an eye in it... ?

IR3's have COPS which is a sensor not an eye, so it is not affected by the moon, the tide, paint color, ghosts, or whatever else makes eyes sometimes unreliable


your right gtrsi, i wish i could stop, but when people dont have a clue what they are talking about, and they spout it off as the truth with no clue of what reality is, well thats just stupid and then other people read what they say and then a whole wave of stupidity will start


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Originally posted by gtrsi
The range sux, they break paint, anno sux, and are hard to work on. Stick with a trendy gun that has all the latest gadgets and shoots real fast.

HAHA, i didnt see this the first time, but aint that the truth

[GT]

Originally posted by Cliffio
.....and then a whole wave of stupidity will start

speaking of that,
I just went over to the new Nerve forum on the nation, it seems that folks are going to buy into the hype. keep your eyes peeled becuase some of these kids are going to dump thier angel/emag/xmags so they can get the newiest cool thing that comes out.

I dont know maybe a timmy would be a good back up to may angel and mag? Or maybe a great gun to hand to my buds when I take them out for the first time .

[boomerfoxtrot]

really in the end it's personal... it's all personal...

I love my GZ, and I love the EMAG... now the GZ has given me LESS pains then the Emag... and it's lighter..... =]

as far as angel goes... I've never owned one so I can't speak for them....

but I can speak for the Timmys... and let me just say this, you will no be let down.... not only are they good guns but they are easy to fix.... even a dumbbutt like myself can figure them out

[Klay01]

Originally posted by Cliffio
first of all, just because the reg takes longer than some to FULLY recharge does not mean that it isnt a good reg.

the reg works with the angels LPR set up, so that no shoot down occurs.

rather than standing on one point that makes no difference lets pick something about the gun that is an actual downfal

and you sir are clueless because for some reason you think a reg will make a difference on what position you plan

perhaps you think angels "lob" paint too

Alright, Did you know that the inline reg opened up and closed to allow air flow in ? thats the reason why you cant tell shoot down with that horrible front reg.

2nd, LPR set up?? there is no difference between a low pressure set up and a high pressure setup? whats it do? see when the pressure is released and forced onto the ball all the so called HP and LP guns release AROUND the same pressure wether it be from 60 to 80 its all around the same so there isnt a LP and HP setup ..

so you are

Originally posted by Cliffio
obviously clueless

maybe that is why people always flame about how angels lob? because the inline reg has to open up more to let more air in because the front reg RECHARGES in 10 SECs. Thats why the front reg on an Angel doesnt work good ON any other GUN.

[GT]

Originally posted by Klay01

maybe that is why people always flame about how angels lob? because the inline reg has to open up more to let more air in because the front reg RECHARGES in 10 SECs. Thats why the front reg on an Angel doesnt work good ON any other GUN.

where do we get this magical 10 sec recharge from?

jb

[Klay01]

i talked to "someone" (i dont want to name any names) in dallas at the megameet he said he did some testing on it and thats what he told me the recharge rate was.

[Cliffio]

and tell me, which part in the wdp mini reg opens and closes during use?

and i do believe he is right about the 10 seconds, i think its something like that. but if the reg takes 10 seconds to get back to full then why do you not get shoot down when you shoot a long string of 14, 15 or 16bps?

[GT]

Originally posted by Klay01
i talked to "someone" (i dont want to name any names) in dallas at the megameet he said he did some testing on it and thats what he told me the recharge rate was.

Who is this someone? why the secrecy? This sounds like BS to me. if the recharge rate was that slow I would think the 2 and 3rd ball wouldnt make it out of the barrel.

[Cliffio]

the reg does take about that long to fully recharge, but like i said the angels low pressure regulator (LPR) makes up for it, which is what makes the whole gun works

[Klay01]

but when at high rates of fire the front reg will not be able to keep up and that would make the LPR to suffer which creates shootdown.

[Cliffio]

but at what speed? seen the video of that angel doing 20bps?

ive done a string of about 200 @ 17bps without shootdown, mind you it was holding the gun straight up with hella trigger bounce on the opto board, but no shootdown no choking


so if the reg can do 20 like in the video and the angel is capped at 20, what part of the reg is bad?

Originally posted by Cliffio
and tell me, which part in the wdp mini reg opens and closes during use?

if the reg takes 10 seconds to get back to full then why do you not get shoot down when you shoot a long string of 14, 15 or 16bps?

it is rediculose(sp)to argue about something which makes no difference, if the reg can do 20 bps, like in the video then what part of it is bad? and if the reg can do 20, which is the max an angel can do, could you not say that the wdp reg is perfect? at least for an angel.

[Klay01]

reason why it doesnt shoot down if it recharges in 10 sec is because of the inline reg, it opens more when the pressure in the front reg decreases that allows it to not have any shoot down. and we would not of been arguing in the first place if you had sided with what i said about how the front reg sucks. it does suck on another gun .. correct? now if it is sucky and is put on an angel and is GOOD then .. why not put better one on and have no chance at shoot down.. now a video of no shootdown at 20 bps, yes i have seen it but there would be no complaints about how angels lob if there wasnt a chance of them lobbing.

[Cliffio]

well i do agree they arent very good on other guns with high rates of fire, but they do work perfectly on angels

they arent made for other guns such as an impulse or a timmy, they are put of cockers are work perfectly because the cocker does not have a super high rate of fire

even professional paintball, makers of the race frame, puts them on free flows

and the argument of angels lobbing paint is not at high rates of fire, but rather lobbing paint in general, kind of the opposite of cockers shooting "flat"

[GT]

i think the paint lobing argument is complete BS. Desgin a test and prove me wrong. all paintballs follow the same path at the same fps, with the same paint, and same bore barrel match.

sorry but the lobbing argument is just crap.

[CpSuPeRkId]

klay i dont think u know what u are talking about. u wanna know something that u probably wont beleive?? this past weekend at the badlandz i was chronoing my ir3 with a freshly rebuilt minireg. i hit the same damn number 3 times in a row(288). i thought the chrono wasnt working right but when i pulled the trigger the 4th time it said 291. so do u wanna explain to me how the "front" reg sucks and doesnt fully recahrge til 10 seconds when i pulled the trigger on those 4 pulls with less than 3 seconds between each shot???? i dunno how they perform on other guns but its the most consistent gun ive ever owned.(yes, more consistent than my impys with MAX FLO regs)

as for what gun i prefer. i have owned LOTS of guns from a timmy, to plenty of impys, to an emag. heres my take on them.

timmy- requires some routine reg maintanence and things like that. can be very problematic if something goes wrong. just a pain in the butt if u ask me. as for it feeling too light, i dunno how thats possible. u guys find the stupidest things to complain about. but over all i think the timmy is highly over rated and i didnt like it one bit.

impys- for awhile i loved them soo much. that is, until i got my "awesome" toxic that gave me nothign but annoying problems. the thing broke paint no matter what i did to it. it had a freaking vision cricket board for crying out loud. th detents were fine, i used good paint, i used a revvy, and i matched up my paint to my barrel. i dunno what it was but something was messed up about it. my brothers' impys have been nothing but trouble either. from max flos going bad to more chopping problems to really bad first shot drop off.

angel- only gun i can pick up, stick an evo2 on, and play all day long without the slightest worry on my mind. i just cant chop with my ir3. i dunno if this is attributed to cops2 or my evo2. either way 15bps with no breaks at all since ive had the gun says enough. there is little to no maintanence to the angel. i mean really, u dont do anything to it except put a couple of drops of oil in it every now and then. you only have to completely rebuild it like 1 time a year which is a peice of cake. i mean if u want a gun that is undisputedly the most reliable electro out there(next to emag) that will never let u down then the angel is the best gun for you.

matrix- dont own one but my friends do. extremely consistent and smooth shooting. it can pinch paint relatively easy too. its super quiet and smooth shooting like i mentioned before but theres no real advantage to it over all the otehr guns IMO. reliablity is pretty good too. keep all 8 orings lubed and you are golden. if you dont you will be leaking all over the place.needs too many upgrades to get it working good though. trinity, red bolt kit, etc just to make it work decent. its rather bulky looking and feeling too. if you want a kickless and quiet shot and some good consistency then get a matrix, but thats all you will get.

so over all, its up to you. with a matrix, timmy, and impy you will have a good performing gun but with a little maintanence involved. you will also end up buying lots of upgrades for all of these markers to get them performing optimally. if u want a gun that has no performance upgrades for it and if u want a gun u can take out of the box and start playing with then an angel is your gun. reguardless of all the lobbing and chopping rumors, angels are great guns with reliablity, quality, great performance, and a great company backing them up. i may sound biased but it comes from my experience of owning almost every gun out there. i know what im talking about.