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  • hitmanng
    Slayer of Sacred Cows
    • Jan 2001
    • 1237

    #61
    I think the first thing to do is evaluate why people play in paintball tournements. I think different people do it for different reasons. Most just to have an outlet for competative paintball.
    For example, the ICC is a local paintball league in Indiana. Last year they averaged 52 teams per event. They have about 8 events per year March through October. Registration is 165/team and paint is PMI
    PMI Evil
    $57.25/case
    PMI Premium
    $48.75/case
    Lat year 93 teams participated.
    The prize..... Trophies and bragging rights. At the end of the season, the series champion was also awarded the ICC Ambassadorship Award with a paid entry to a national tournament (Amateur Division), as well as two free hotel rooms.

    Why does the ICC work?
    Good refs? Teams ref at thier home field and it can be biased and bad at times.
    Great prizes? more like what prizes.
    Great booths? There are a few but nothing big.
    People come to play paintball. Generally fair and resonably priced paintball.

    What are people not willing to pay extra for?
    1. Round decent paint. It is expected.
    2. Good reffing is expected. (although not always followed through on)
    3. Decent fields.
    4. Air availability and parking.
    5. A smoothly run tournement.

    Now if Tom wants to know what people will pay more for here is what I think.
    1. Quality paint. People are always whining about paint prices and quality. I would always offer 2 choices a cheaper and a more expensive higher quality paint.
    2. Trade show. People like them. The bigger the better but make sure people know they are going to be there and that is part of the price. Trade show set up is expensive.
    3. Premium parking. I know that sounds dumb but we have a lot of gear and there are many of days I would pay $20.00 for a better parking spot.
    4. Easy Air. Available no lines, no hassles and close by. Again people need to understand what they are paying for in the entry fee.
    5. Good food. I know don't laugh but paintball sucks at providing quality refreshments to people with a lot of cash in hand at a tourney. There is a lot of money to be had here. My wife even though about starting a bussiness getting booths at tourneys.
    6. Women....There just arn't enough gorgeous ladies walking around..... oh sorry lost my train of thought.
    7. Last but not least information. People pay at every footballgame and basketball game for player information. I know it would be a hard thing to do but programs would sell almost guarantied. If you tell people to submit a photo and information with registration and make a program with each team and a profile of each player in it, they would sell like hot cakes. This is both to the players that want something to take home and to players that want to analyze the competition.

    That'a all I can think of right now.
    Hope this is helpfull.
    Hitmanng

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    • Ronin 23
      Registered User
      • Mar 2002
      • 138

      #62
      I like No.7

      and that will be a by-product of having a world wide governing body.
      /s/ Mel C. Maravilla
      Capt. of the PBX Legion
      PBX Battlezone - Toms River, NJ
      PBX Paintball Station Inc.

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      • goat
        Remember Ryan Hale
        • Feb 2003
        • 220

        #63
        I think Most tourney promoters are getting enough of the players $ as it is, If you factor in the amount of cash the AVERAGE tourney player (and by average I dont mean the guy's and ladies that are factory sponsored)spends to go to an out of state event it's Nuts,
        Hotel, gas or airfare, food, drinks, might even have to rent a car.
        If they think that raising the prices and fixing a few things that are already broken is going to draw more players I have news for them, Most players can afford to hit 1 big event per year and maybe a few local events to fill in the gaps -if prices go up then it will only mean fewer players at fewer events.
        As for the subject of paint cost, this make no sense at all to me, at some events you are buying directly from the dealer (sometimes out of their truck), so why is it the paint cost just as much as when I buy it at my local field??? there is no middle man! And to top it off they are selling mass amounts in a few days.
        Ultimate Madness was great and I feel the pricing was right where is needed to be, alot of the things other people mentioned Happened at Madness...players party, indoor tourney, cameras, and from what I saw good reffing.
        Im out,
        Goat
        Originally posted by U.S. District Judge Garr M. King, Re: Smart Parts' patent on electronic paintball markers
        "...I question the contributions of some of the named inventors, specifically Billy Gardner and Adam Gardner..."
        "...the evidence strongly suggests that neither Billy nor Adam could have invented what is claimed."
        "As with the lack of any documentation of the Gardnrs' work, Billy and Adam Gardner's testimony regarding thier own contributions does not suggest the work of inventors."

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        • hitmanng
          Slayer of Sacred Cows
          • Jan 2001
          • 1237

          #64
          I think the trick is you change where the money is spent. With food or programs or other extras you get the monye but the entrance fee does not go up. If you want the extras you buy them if not you don't. Charging admission of spectators for example. Not a lot bet $2.00/head per day. Players and 1 couch per team get in with registration. The promoter makes a few extra bucks and the players do not pay the price.
          Hitmanng

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          • circus5
            SALAMINIZER
            • Aug 2002
            • 220

            #65
            More GOOD Refs

            Good certified refs would be nice. id love to see a tourney reffed by one cohesive organization, such as WPRC or PRO(though i wasnt at all impressed with the PRO refs at skyball 2k2). Teams reffing just doesn't work (xept for Syndicate of Paint, those german guys, they are great). Problem is in order to have non-players ref you have to train them and pay them decently. And i dont think any tourney promoter would be willing to pay the amount of money it would take to get someone who doesn't play (and love) the sport to travel to Toronto or Vegas or AC to ref.
            Uncle Conrad's Circus
            AIM: Floydianightmare or circus5pball
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            • RaTfreak
              Registered User
              • Dec 2001
              • 44

              #66
              What would I pay more for?

              I would just love to go to a tourney and win something. I know that sounds cheap but even if you don't place in the top 5 you should still have door prizes, thanks for coming prizes or whatever.

              I would be willing to go to higher priced tourneys IF I thought I stood a chance of getting something in return. T-shirts, bags, something.

              Until then I'll stick to cheap tourneys with plastic trophies.
              RT w/ z-grip
              The rest is just fluff.

              Paint ya later!!!

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              • Pvt.Opium
                Registered User
                • Aug 2002
                • 109

                #67
                I would pay for:

                New Paint( not the stuff they give you that has sat on the shelfs for weeks)

                and

                Plenty of un-biased refs

                It seems to me that the host of the tourneys always come out with a high profit rate, wich is not a problem except when evreyone has something to complain about
                BEST DEALER: ROGUE!!!!

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