ATTENTION TOM KAYE: probation question

[LaW]

Originally posted by phazeshifter


Don't you mean HER parents?

yup correction her parents be smart

[DWill]

Maybe I remember wrong, but I thought the legal age a person could give consent to do those "extracurrliciar" activities was 17. Maybe it is different for different states but are you sure she wasn't 16?

[xen_100]

a little off-topic, but I have no problem having paintball markers labeled as "firearms" all that does is make it imposible to ban them. they would be protected by the consitution just like "real" guns are. all these states trying to ban ownership (and some have) would be in violation.

[1stdeadeye]

Not so fast

Here is the problem. Though a paintball marker is not legally a firearm, PB2k2's friend had better listen to what his probation officer says is a firearm. I don't know how long your friend is on probation for, but his PO can make his life miserable if your friend pushes an issue that the PO doesn't want to hear about!

He can make your friends life a living hell just by following the letter of the law. He could show up and embarass your friend at his place of business or school or even home. Best to ask very politely and respectfully. If the PO says no, don't push it. That weekend of fun could make your friend miserable for months or years1

[warpfeedmod]

Originally posted by DWill
Maybe I remember wrong, but I thought the legal age a person could give consent to do those "extracurrliciar" activities was 17. Maybe it is different for different states but are you sure she wasn't 16?

Look it up here:

http://www.ageofconsent.com/

[Lopy-slopy]

If you read the gun controll act it says that a fire arm is anything that expels a projectle by means of "explosion". There is no explosion in a pintball gun. But they do count under destructive devises, which is worse. It can be banned easyer that way. Well, I sudgest showing that to his probation officer. They arn't firearms so It shoundn't fall under his probation. I think it's funny that they seem to have a sweat spot for shot guns. They are alot more deadly than a PB gun. And how can they say that it's particularly suitable for recreational purposes. You cant target shoot with a shot gun and it's just crule to hunt with a shot gun. One clean hole is alot more humaine than a 100 small holes. The other part in their that I don't like is you can have a gun if it's for sporting, recreational, or CULTURAL purposes. Bet you the KKK had a feild day with that. "It was to keep the culture pure." Those hate filled bastards.

[dfs]

lopy-slopy - the reason for the shotgun loophole is that the nfa was originally passed in 1926. shotguns would have been considered dds and at that time banning a 12 ga would have been like banning baseball and apple pie. the pb guns are exempt from the being dds because of the "shall not include any device which is neither designed nor redesigned for use as a weapon; any device, although originally designed for use as a weapon, which is redesigned for use as a signaling,pyrotechnic, line throwing, safety, or similar device" clause and the "the Secretary finds is generally recognized as particularly suitable for sporting purposes" clause

but in concurance with 1stdeadeye, this may be more of a "spirit of the law" vs. "letter of the law" issue. i wouldnt push the officer too hard.

[StuDawggie]

You said that your friend is on probation. Other than the whole Paintball maker/gun (whatever you want to call it) issue, there's one that's being over looked and that is, if he's on probation, is he allowed to leave the state or even go more than x number of miles from his home? So before you think about making travel plans. He should check with his PO to see if he's allowed to leave the state. Because if he's not allowed to do so, and he does, the rest of his probation will be spent in a jail cell. But that's just a little thing that may need to be looked into like I said.

[paintball2k2]

This is getting a little off track here, the topic is whether or not a paintball gun is considered a firearm.

[MarkM]

Originally posted by xen_100
a little off-topic, but I have no problem having paintball markers labeled as "firearms" all that does is make it imposible to ban them. they would be protected by the consitution just like "real" guns are. all these states trying to ban ownership (and some have) would be in violation.

Not exactly off topic as such but if you were to find yourselves in the situation where Paintball markers were classified as "firearms" (for ease of classification) then the "protection" under the constituional amendment to which you refer is flawed...not starting an amendment arguement as enough lawyers are argueing that...but lets say you are correct, then by nature of the "new" classification then you would then automatically ban a huge amount of people from owning a Paintball marker, due to age and criminal record....still want to push that idea?
I am subject to a whole different set of regulations for firearm ownership as I am English, but again if the "ruling" was made I would then be unable to travel to the states and play, because as soon as I made landfall I would be holding an unlicensed firearm. I would not be able to apply in advance for a firearm certificate as I am not a resident of your country. In my country the age classification for air-powered weapon (don't like that word but in this case it is accurate) ownership is 17 and below if under parental supervision. I can own a shotgun and a rifle and very restricted calibre sized hand guns but then only mostly due to my age. I was informed by a customs officer a couple of years ago that Canada was intending to bring in an ownership registration scheme for Paintball markers though I haven't heard anything about this since. I would have no problem with this scheme as I have by default that ownership right within my own country so if it was to be a scheme that was intended for Air powered weapons then I "could" apply ahead of time and I would guess the same would be true of the US. This is a huge minefield you would be entering into if you were to push for the kind of classification that you feel would negate any of the current problems. Sorry if I have seemed to have ranted on but pitfalls of the varying solutions do need to be voiced and to keep it in topic, check with your state legistar (think thats the right name?) for the classification.

[dfs]

and if they were firearms, they probably impose a ton of brady like restrictions. i can see them now:

1. assault machine pb firearms such as angels, mags, cockers, spyders, and tippmans are banned. guns manufactured prior to '03 are grandfathered and legal to own but a $200 tax, fingerprinting, and background check required to transfer ownership.
2. no drop-forwards if you have a motorized hopper on any 2 of the following "assault" features: ported barrel, hpa, or pressure regulator
3. thunbhole stocks are allowed but no pistol grips
4. no "cop killer" thin-shelled no-wipe paintballs
5. no "high capacity" hoppers over 10 rounds
6. any gun that "looks scary" will be banned
7. owning any parts, installed or uninstalled from tha actual pb firearm, that might be able to convert a pb fiream to an possible illegal configuration will be considered owning an illegal pb firearm
8. any modification done to a pb firearm could be considered an attempt to convert to an illegal configuration
9. anybody who purchases more that 2 pb firearms at a time or has more than 3 in their collection or purchases more that 100 paintballs or has more than 500 at any given time will be added to an "fbi list" and is subject to interrogation under the pb terrorism act of '03
9. and most of all: no sharp pointy sticks


these are the types of crazy rules real firearms owners live with.