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  • sensei
    Registered User
    • May 2003
    • 4

    #46
    i work at the field.

    1.) word-of-mouth and speculation: i think we need to get the original guy that started this thread to verify what actually happened and who the indiviuals were. before you all got worked up, how do you all know that this all wasn't a rumor someone decided to start? furthermore, who do you think had more violent intentions anyway; the one with the bad attitude or the person who wanted to "b!tch slap" that person with a tank? think for yourselves, people.

    2.) prices: when (and if) you all own your own businesses, you can talk as much trash as you want. but, rexplex is a high traffic area. we have everyone from lawyers, cops, kids, doctors, dj's, teens, skateboarders, ikea customers, basketball players, college students, us soldiers, college teams, recreational paintball players, tourney paintball players, professional paintball players stopping by our field. it's only a 20 minute drive from new york city. it's in the center of everything. the cost to rent the spot, much less run the field, does not compute to most of you, does it? what happens when we are still hit with bills and we have a week when it's not as busy. all you guys have to do is buy paint, pay for air & admission and leave. if ANY of you have ever worked within the industy or at a field or at least knew what it takes to run a business (costs, rent, insurance, payouts, equipment, strategic advertising, competitive marketing, etc.), then maybe some of the comments made would be valid.

    3.) the man: rooster can and will run his business the way he wants. it's just that ---> his business. yes, his choice of words are often full of "colorful metaphors", but when it comes to his business you get what you get, 'cuz it is what it is. don't expect him to "sugar coat" his intentions because there is no "grey area" about this business. paintball "can be" a potentially dangerous sport. sometimes, customers that are too "bunged up" and excited about playing may not necessarily listen or follow the rules of the field. i've kicked out many "KIDS" (yes, some of them are 10 years old) for taking their mask off on the field. yes... KICKED THEM OUT. you may think i'm being unprofessional and "mean" and that kid may get mad at me and cry 'cuz he lost his money and can't play, but the way i see it is that now he'll always remember to leave his goggles on the next time he plays at our field and that it was because of me that he still has his eye sight to play another day.

    4.) business is business: because the sport is still new to a lot of people, the customers ARE NOT always right (especially, when the business is a paintball field). anyone here know how much insurance costs for a paintball field? i'm sorry if our professionalism may not be like "greetings and welcome to shooter's paintball at rexplex, how may i help you" that you're all used to when you go to a walmart in pennsylvania, but the refs have to deal with hours of getting shot up by rental-playing noobies, deal with the bad attitudes of recreational players in camos and deal with tournament noobs with hot guns; the staff has to deal with rental equipment, deal with air equipment, deal with customer service and deal with making the parents understand why the process of playing paintball games is not as simple as waiting on line for a rollercoaster ride; and rooster has deal with the complicated task of bringing all of this (the field, the staff, the team(s), the customers, the funds, the business) together. the stress and frustration would make any friendly bloke age 10 years in a matter or months. so... before any of you talk out your @$$ again about things you know little about, be sure to do your homework first. get all sides of the story and take a business course at your local college. have i said anything offensive, or did i say anything any of you can really think about?

    was this "unprofessional" enough for any of you?

    i'll be on the field yelling at our customers, thank you for your attention...

    sensei

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    • ezrunner
      Random Member
      • Feb 2002
      • 606

      #47
      sensei

      I agree with a lot of things in your rant.

      The premise of this conversation was that some guy at some field made an uncalled for remark to a kid with a gun problem.

      The remark "reportedly" was that the kid's marker was not fit for use. The remark was made in such as fashion as to be derogatory and it made the kid cry.

      That is not the same as me tossing a 12yr old off a field for shooting me 15 times when I'm not carrying a marker and I have an orange vest on and I've been screeming I"M A REF for 5 minutes.

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      • WARPED1
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        • Nov 2001
        • 7458

        #48
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        • shartley
          paintball player
          • Mar 2001
          • 9169

          #49

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          • hitech
            Not a shedder of vortices
            • Nov 2001
            • 4775

            #50
            Re: i work at the field.

            Originally posted by sensei
            was this "unprofessional" enough for any of you?
            Yes it was. I'm glad you don't work with me.


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            • RT pRo AuToMaG
              (un)official MatrixDM4Tech
              • Mar 2002
              • 1000

              #51
              wow sensei, you took us all through what it is to operate/work at a paintball field. Unfortunately, that doesn't give anyone an excuse to be an alligator. Sure, like you said, people get irritated when working a job like that from getting shot up as a ref, or having tons of bills as a field owner, and you are right, Rooster can tell everyone that walkes into the door to go f' themselves, but that doesn't mean he'll get any buisness. You are there to ref, if you don't expect to get shot up, then you need to find another job. A 12 year old that's playing for the first time is gonna shoot everything that moves, including a ref with no gun and an orange jersey, *POOF*, even pros still do it, watch an xball game and see how much refs get shot. Now, back to the point about rooster, I understand he has bills to pay, I understand he has other expenses too. Sure, he charges alot, but the customers do have their say in prices. For examlple, if you charge me $100+ a case and $20 to get in, and then $6 a fill for air, even if you are indoors and the nicest field or the only field around, I sure as hell am not paying that much to play paintball. If you charge me $20 for a $10 item, I can guarentee at least 75% of all people will complain. Also, you said because this is a young sport the customer is not always right, well you are wrong. No matter what buisness you are running, the customer IS RIGHT, even if you don't agree or if the customer is in fact wrong, the customer is right! Only way they wouldn't be right was if they broke a rule. well i'm off mah soapbox.

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              • gtrsi
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                • Dec 2001
                • 5786

                #52
                Originally posted by shartley
                Great post!,
                I think we were seperated at birth! That was my first thought, this is my second being if you want to run a truly sucessfuly buisness you have many lessons to learn.

                I hope the trip isnt to hard.

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                • sensei
                  Registered User
                  • May 2003
                  • 4

                  #53
                  wait a second.

                  what's worse? my post, or you repeating issues and problems i've already posted the answers to?

                  I'm glad you don't work with me.
                  well, if you did, maybe things would get done. :)

                  wow sensei, you took us all through what it is to operate/work at a paintball field.
                  actually, no i didn't. if you knew, hands on, you'd probably understand.

                  Unfortunately, that doesn't give anyone an excuse to be an *******.
                  anyone & everyone has the right to be an @$$hole (if they want to). it's called freedom and it's no excuse.

                  You are there to ref, if you don't expect to get shot up, then you need to find another job.
                  i ref about 30+ games a day on an average within 6 hours and i never said i expected NOT to get shot up. get your facts straight.

                  For examlple, if you charge me $100+ a case and $20 to get in, and then $6 a fill for air, even if you are indoors and the nicest field or the only field around, I sure as hell am not paying that much to play paintball. If you charge me $20 for a $10 item, I can guarentee at least 75% of all people will complain.
                  irrelevant. bad example, because these rates do not pertain to our field. these prices are probably close to skirmish's, though... oh, but they have thousands of customers per week, don't they? oh wait, YOU'RE not a customer, are you? well, they'll really miss you, won't they?

                  ok.

                  how many of you have been to our field? if you haven't, you really cannot understand what you have not experienced. if you do not understand (and/or unwilling to understand) there is nothing more i can say/type. so, i think that breaks it down to just the one person... the original poster. since, he was there.

                  as far as business is concerned, things are really moving full speed ahead; this includes rexplex, shooters painball and the team, shooters & looters.

                  so, as far as...

                  I think we were seperated at birth! That was my first thought, this is my second being if you want to run a truly sucessfuly buisness you have many lessons to learn. I hope the trip isnt to hard.
                  ... is concerned, you can tell yourself (and your twin brother) that the lessons are constantly being learned and the trip has been hard. but you know what they say, "nothing good comes easy" right? so, now what constitutes a successful business? growth? well, we take pride at the fact that during the winter/tournament off season, a substantial amount of players/teams, unwilling to play at an outdoor field in 3-feet of snow, migrate to our facility. but, around and/or by the end of this month, our customers can look forward to our brand-spanking-new outdoor field (underneath a huge tent covering the entire playing field), a fully equipped pro shop and an entrance located at the back of the complex specifically for our customers, paintballers, spectators and their families. so, for anyone that wants to take their game to the next level by playing some of the area's serious ballers (because we do get 'em all!), we are located off of exit 13a on the turnpike in elizabeth, nj, near newark airport right next to IKEA. we are open every day of the week, give or take a few days for holidays and you can check out our rates and daily schedule to accomidate your level of play @ shooterspb.com

                  thank you all for posting and your opinions... although, unintuitive, i found them quite entertaining.



                  sensei
                  Last edited by sensei; 05-09-2003, 02:38 AM.

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                  • shartley
                    paintball player
                    • Mar 2001
                    • 9169

                    #54
                    Re: wait a second.

                    Originally posted by sensei


                    what's worse? my post, or you repeating issues and problems i've already posted the answers to?



                    well, if you did, maybe things would get done. :)



                    actually, no i didn't. if you knew, hands on, you'd probably understand.



                    anyone & everyone has the right to be an @$$hole (if they want to). it's called freedom and it's no excuse.



                    i ref about 30+ games a day on an average within 6 hours and i never said i expected NOT to get shot up. get your facts straight.



                    irrelevant. bad example, because these rates do not pertain to our field. these prices are probably close to skirmish's, though... oh, but they have thousands of customers per week, don't they? oh wait, YOU'RE not a customer, are you? well, they'll really miss you, won't they?

                    ok.

                    how many of you have been to our field? if you haven't, you really cannot understand what you have not experienced. if you do not understand (and/or unwilling to understand) there is nothing more i can say/type. so, i think that breaks it down to just the one person... the original poster. since, he was there.

                    as far as business is concerned, things are really moving full speed ahead; this includes rexplex, shooters painball and the team, shooters & looters.

                    so, as far as...



                    ... is concerned, you can tell yourself (and your twin brother) that the lessons are constantly being learned and the trip has been hard. but you know what they say, "nothing good comes easy" right? so, now what constitutes a successful business? growth? well, we take pride at the fact that during the winter/tournament off season, a substantial amount of players/teams, unwilling to play at an outdoor field in 3-feet of snow, migrate to our facility. but, around and/or by the end of this month, our customers can look forward to our brand-spanking-new outdoor field (underneath a huge tent covering the entire playing field), a fully equipped pro shop and an entrance located at the back of the complex specifically for our customers, paintballers, spectators and their families. so, for anyone that wants to take their game to the next level by playing some of the area's serious ballers (because we do get 'em all!), we are located off of exit 13a on the turnpike in elizabeth, nj, near newark airport right next to IKEA. we are open every day of the week, give or take a few days for holidays and you can check out our rates and daily schedule to accomidate your level of play @ shooterspb.com

                    thank you all for posting and your opinions... although, unintuitive, i found them quite entertaining.



                    sensei

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                    • shartley
                      paintball player
                      • Mar 2001
                      • 9169

                      #55

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                      • Thordic
                        AFTICA
                        • May 2001
                        • 5986

                        #56
                        Well, I'd like to thank sensei for showing me that my personal boycott of Shooters isn't unfounded. Apparently not only is Rooster an ***, but he hires them as well.

                        Thanks :)

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                        • gtrsi
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                          • Dec 2001
                          • 5786

                          #57
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                          • Wc Keep

                            #58
                            this is not me choosing a side

                            shooters pb gears itself more towards the serious tournament players. of course they would like some rec ball players, but rec ballers like to play woods and stuff and shooters only offers sup air. but when you can say to serious tourney players that redz factory team, shooters, pb megastore, and terminal velocity are all attending your facility, it draws out all these teams that would like to get in a great practice. so when you say, "oh people are going to stay away from your facility now cause they saw this" its not going to change his customer base all that much. ok all you ao'ers are now not going to shooters pb, but how many of you live in jersey and how many actually live in jersey that dont already play there in the winter?

                            oh and shartley if you're gonna tell people about rules why dont you tell the others to stop calling people *** and *******. we understand that just as well as we do @$$hole.

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                            • shartley
                              paintball player
                              • Mar 2001
                              • 9169

                              #59
                              Re: this is not me choosing a side

                              Originally posted by Wc Keep
                              oh and shartley if you're gonna tell people about rules why dont you tell the others to stop calling people *** and *******. we understand that just as well as we do @$$hole.

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                              • sensei
                                Registered User
                                • May 2003
                                • 4

                                #60
                                problem is...

                                when you (actually me) enforce the rules, people think you are being a jerk (chrono, mask down!, barrel condom!, don't carry your equipment in public outside of your bag, chrono again, etc.).

                                also, yes, we draw a lot (a lot) of tournament players, but the percentage of rentals and walk-ons is greater.

                                as far as the future is concerned, we will see what we will see. wont we?

                                again, you've never been to shooters, so your opinions (suggestions, name calling and empty threats) are futile.

                                thordic, sorry to hear that we won't be seeing you. you will be missed.

                                sensei

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