every body who knows anything about shockers read this

[a_bloomer10]

ok im thinking about getting a shocker and dont know alot about them, if any body knows a little abou them please help me. Like do they chop alot, i know there gas hog, and that there big and heave but please let me know of any weaknesses or strengths.
thanks
alex

[WARPED1]

They're not that big or heavy. Barely ever chop.
Repairs can be expensive since there's 2 solenoids.

[a_bloomer10]

who do you send them to get repairs...smart parts?
and is it that difficlt to adjust the solenoid

[EsPo]

you dont usually adjust solenoid...:) hes just saying that cause solenoid can blow easily (ive experienced this first hand) and for an impulse (which has one solenoid) it costs 80 + labor to repair.

they are big though.

if you have a good local shop, they will repair the sol. for you, but if not, you will be sending to SP.

[a_bloomer10]

so

so how do you blow a solenoid?

[Python14]

Too much air pressure

[nerobro]

Shockers... are teriable guns. they are one of the few guns on the market I can acutally say this about. they are disturbingly bad gas hogs. they have a myriad (something on the order of 12-14 couting solinods, but not the reg) of active seals in the gun. (versus four five in a mag including the regulator..)

The gun runs the solinoids above their rated pressure. I've still never seen a solinoid that was rated for more than 120psi use. (unless we're talking no2 solinoids... which run at 900-1200... but four of those would be bigger than the shocker itself) And the shocker runs at 150-200 psi depending on velocity.

So a we stand it's a complex gun that's very inefficant. what could be good on the gun? Rate of fire? Well even with aftermarket boards people still can't get shockers shooting much more than 11bps.

have you noticed the shockers with powerfeeds? And the shockers with air assist? Despite being closed bolt they seem to have a big problem with blowback. the powerfeed was a SP fix for a problem they couldn't figure out how to fix. with a closed bolt gun, there should be NO blowback whatsoever.

well I should mention the quality of the aluminum used in the gun as well. most shockers have helicoils installed beacsue the aluminum used just won't hold threads. ti's also a bit tricky to annodize.

About the only thing going for shockers is owner loyalty, and noise. Shockers are quiet. But it appears that MOST guns that are really inefficant are pretty quiet.

if logic doesn't prevail, how about the bandwagon falicy. The smart parts teams don't use shockers. they use impulses. They have their own problems as well, but they are superior to shockers. though don't take this as my endorsement of impulses..... they have their own slew of problems ;-) (though the majority of those CAN be fixed... but by that time you may as well have paid for the angel, bm2k, or other ram driven hammer gun....)

[a_bloomer10]

wow

does anybody have anything good to say about shockers?
are they really that bad?

[WARPED1]

Not bad at all. The old PVI Shockers were big and heavy, but '99 and up are roughly the same size as a cocker.
I've owned a couple.

[Thing]

I myself have owned 2. I had a PVI shocker and a Smart Parts shocker. Both were awesome guns. Just to tell you the truth, the Shockers design is somewhat.......outdated. It kinda has it's own cult status like the Palmer customs. People who own them, swear by them. To be honest there are better paintguns out there for you to buy. A Bushy BKO will run you 290 at the most and it will easily surpass the shocker just because it is a newer and better designed gun. There are plenty of custom shops that offer shocker upgrades that are awesome, but they cost some serious cash.

https://www.docsmachine.com

https://www.hypersportworks.com

These guys do awesome shocker upgrades. Unless you have a ton of money to dump into the gun, I recommend some other electro.

[nerobro]

I dunno. most guns I can find "bright points" about. cockers, angels, mags, even the lowly stingray. I dunno.. the only things shockers have going for them is reputation, and that reputation is based on vapor.

that said... I am looking for any PVI shocker... I think it woudl look nice next to my vm-68. :-)

Like the last guy said. Pick up something else. You'll be happier in the long run. I just don't wanna see you dancing between guns ;-) That dance cost at least one of my friends a whole lotta money. He just came full circle and has gone back to the gun he started with ;-)

[Ityl]

Originally posted by WARPED1
but '99 and up are roughly the same size as a cocker.

no, shockers are wider, taller, and longer. my brother had one... for about a week.

[Crazy]

[Top Secret]

Thats a pretty sweet Matrix frame you have on your Shocker there Crazy.

[Toakes22]

I heard the new 2003 shockers are supposed to be amazing. Anyone hears anything about them.