Super Light Mechanical Trigger Update

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  • AGD
    The man from AGD

    • Oct 2000
    • 5916

    #1

    Super Light Mechanical Trigger Update

    AO,

    Everyone is talking about foolish ways to modify their triggers to get it lighter since I started researching a lightweight trigger. I have gotten tired of listening to everyone complain that we never get things out so I have shut up about projects that I know for sure you will like.

    Triggers are a safety issue so against my now sharpened marketing skills I felt it was important to give you an update to shut all this down.

    Yes we do have a working lightweight prototype trigger in field testing now. We were hoping to get a mech trigger as light as an e-gun but that does not look like it is possible.

    The new trigger is about 1/3 the pull of the stock trigger. From the people who have tried it they have all agreed that is in NOT in the e-gun catagory but in the very light mechanical zone. It competes favorably with lightweight cocker swing triggers. It is approxamately equivalent to three magnets in the emag trigger.

    The prototype is not ready for production. The parts are small and fragile so we have to figure out a way to make it idiot proof. There is a 99% chance this mod will retrofit to every gun we ever made. Its a two minute parts swap.

    Currently we are working on adjusting the amount of reactivity in the trigger to comply with various (unknown) tournament rules. We would like to make the reactivity adjustable by swaping parts.

    The bad news is that this is not a front burner project right now. We are dealing with the next batch of xmags that are taking a lot of time.

    I would estimate the price to be in the sub 100 buck catagory. We will be selling them in the store first so AO gets first crack. No preorders, no winers, if you don't want to be a guinee pig don't buy in the first batch. I am not going to answer any more questions about the mod at this time so don't post endless "yea but's".

    Lastly I am not as excited about this mod as I was at first. I can shoot this mech gun just as fast and long as my xmag. I do it, as I have always done, by fanning the trigger. I have now been informed that "fanning" is lame and no pro player would be caught dead doing it. I interpret this to mean that the advantage this trigger has, no electronics and high rate of fire, will be dismissed as out of fashion by the paintball community.

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  • edweird
    IP lawsuits > innovation
    • Dec 2001
    • 1859

    #2
    Very intersting.... This will be a very nice upgrade I think when your other projects come out as well. By other projects I am refering to the Y Grip.


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    • BTAutoMag
      AO's Problem Child
      • Oct 2001
      • 7199

      #3
      wow, can we see at least a pic? i wonder if how youre doing has any relation to how i did mine. can you give us the basic theory?
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      • joeyjoe367
        Confirmed 11 bps RT User!
        • May 2001
        • 1982

        #4
        1/3 the pull of a stock trigger (RT, I'm assuming)?!?!? I'm ecstatic! I don't think I'd want it too light anyhow; I like mechanical triggers over electro triggers because of the "toy" feel that microswitches give.

        1/3rd trigger pull is exactly what I want.

        And Tom, I believe you're the one who starts fashions I don't see anything wrong with so called "trigger-fanning" as long as you can do it practically on the field!

        Go knock 'em dead Tom, you rule!

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        • nippinout
          FUSP
          • Jan 2002
          • 1231

          #5
          Well, before Tom gets more annoyed at us, I have to throw this into the pot...

          Tom, I've been toying with my mechanical trigger. I've put a pre-load on it making it much lighter.

          Spring was used. Worked great, a little too great!

          The other idea was using opposing magnets.

          Or a combo of the two so the pull strength was more constant throughout the length of the pull.

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          • Army
            Moderator of DOOOOOOOOMMM!

            • Oct 2000
            • 5785

            #6
            Yea, but...........


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            • spantol
              Turgid Member
              • Sep 2002
              • 1024

              #7
              Tom-

              A humble suggestion, regarding the "fashionable" paintball community: Screw 'em.

              There's a subset of the paintball community that subsists on hype and hype alone--the "cockers shoot farther," "Angels hit harder," "closed-bolt is better" crowd. There's nothing anyone can do to shake them out of it; rather, they'll continue to flush money down the toilet in a constant pursuit of other manufacturers' claims. Some of them will eventually see the light, others are simply lost. These people are quite clearly not your target market--Why waste your energy?

              Personally, I'm thrilled about the prospect of lighter mechanical trigger, and I'll be ordering the day it hits the store.

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              • FooTemps
                HURRRR
                • Sep 2001
                • 6702

                #8
                Dang Tom... you just slapped everyone in the face nice and hard... lol, Seems like even you can crack sometimes.

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                • thecavemankevin
                  the living un-banned
                  • Feb 2001
                  • 4346

                  #9
                  i agree that the x-mags are, and should be the priority!

                  If anything gets AGD to the top, it will be the x-mags...not an "as light as electro" mech trigger.

                  Anotherthing to realize is that electro cockers are becomeing all the rage right now and very fast at that. mech triggers are a dieing breed (never will be totally gone, but electros will always be dominant).

                  The x-mags, ULE's and y-grips should be the priority and this should stay on the back burner till x-mag production is up to date.

                  Keep up the good work


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                  • Blennidae
                    an epileptic hummingbird
                    • Nov 2001
                    • 1920

                    #10
                    Tom, by the tone of your post, I don't know if you will even read this. It sounded like here's the info, end of discussion. If so, thats fine.

                    I know jack about marketing, but what I have seen you doing to address all the perceived "faults" of mags seems to be causing some word of mouth out there.

                    Word is getting out that mags no longer chop(L10), are not heavy(ULE/Xmag), and are not ugly(ULE). The ULE even covered the barrel selection issue.

                    I think by getting a lighter trigger pull, you can kill the "stiff trigger" complaints. Especially with the single trigger crowd.

                    If you keep taking away what everyone thinks is "wrong" with mags, they will hopefully think more about buying one.

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                    • RetroEclipseMan
                      AO's Future Game Artist
                      • Jun 2002
                      • 1386

                      #11
                      You can definately put me down for one when this mod comes out. And hey, why the heck does it matter if you fan the trigger. People just hate the fact that they can only dream of how fast you can shoot Tom Don't let a good product die just cause the misinformed don't like it.
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                      • MantisMag
                        Dim Sum
                        • Dec 2001
                        • 1895

                        #12
                        sorry to hear you've lost your enthusiasm for the project. i'm sure it's still a nifty little upgrade. too bad it didn't live up to the expectations you had going into it. don't worry about all those other people. even if it's not something revolutionary you are still slowly eliminating all criticisms that people have against mags. mags are now customizable, come in pretty colors, don't chop, and soon will have very light triggers. just keep on pushing tom.

                        "ain't nobody gonna take my pride. ain't nobody gonna hold me down! oh no! i've got to keep on moving."

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                        • cledford
                          Registered User
                          • Feb 2001
                          • 1386

                          #13
                          I'm hoping the trigger makes it. Along with the level 10 you'll have the first electro that doesn't require batteries I know I was one of the ones who agreed it wasn't *quite* light enough to equal an electro - but I'd say it's more then enough for someone on a budget who can't afford the angel/timmy/nerve/whatever. They'll get all of the design genius of the AGD marker (with the durability) without the price.

                          Personally, I think I'd buy the trigger and ditch the Emag due to weight. Even with all ULE - the heavier frame (compared to the intelli), the battery, and the guts all weigh in at more then you could throw an Xvalve mag together for. It can hang with the big boys for sure - and who really cares if the pros think fanning is lame? Most of the regular players do it. They buy their equipment vs. having it given to them.

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                          • Jerhew
                            Riverside Regiment
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 677

                            #14
                            woohoo!

                            ok so i feel a little bad because we made Tom crack a bit
                            but we got the inside scoop

                            thanx Tom
                            i think it means a lot to us die hard mechanical guns for life guys
                            i know i'll definitely buy it...under a $100 you say
                            very nice

                            well everyone that just picked up their level 10 in the last few months will probably be getting this now too
                            TheDuelist "The problem is that Tom has developed the VW Beetle of the paintball industry. It's almost too good to change and far too reliable."

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                            • FooTemps
                              HURRRR
                              • Sep 2001
                              • 6702

                              #15
                              Hmmm... now that I've thought about it more... Did people on AO plan to annoy Tom so he would give us some inside info?

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