Super Light Mechanical Trigger Update

[warpfeedmod]

put me down on the list for 2 of these triggers.

one for me, one for my homies.


i don't care what people think of the mag, if it's too ugly, heavy, etc. I've grown accustomed to it, I've gotten used to how it fires, I can rip like no one else on my emag the way it's setup. I care about performance, not about some hyped up 8-color fade with ultralight bodies, etc. Sure that's all great and eye candy, but for the cost vs. performance, I'll take my emag over any other electro anyday.

I say roll with it Tom. If the rest of the "paintball community" doesn't understand or doesn't accept it, then to heck with them. They don't knwo what they're missing.


Also do you have pics of this "prototype" or are we not allowed to see them?

[chris007]

agd shoud make a e-frame like a hyperframe.and make the light mec. trigger.that way every bodys happy.

[ddindc]

DB, you didn't do so well on the reading comprehension

section of the SATs, did ya? The $200 price refered to a stripped-down, no-frills 'mag etrigger. The reason the eblade and racegun are so expensive is because of their multiple features and complex egineering. I'm sugesting a very simple, no display, no mode etrigger. For those "poor people" (Foo-san), do you have $100 to buy the mech trigger? $150 for a ULE? $325 for an x-valve? Then $200 isn't that much more for significantly more performance. I would agree, however, that if AGD could not deliver said trigger for around a $200 price point, then it would be too expensive. Of late, AGD has done a pretty good job looking forward; the ULE accessories, the x-valve, the emag and x-mag are all great innovations that have--at the very least--kept AGD current. When given the chance to develop an after-market trigger, I think a mech trigger would be an anachronim and out of step with the defining trends and futures of this industry.

[SI|ENT|3O|3]

OMG!! I can't wait, I can't wait, it's gonna be a piece of cake...!!This trigger is gonna be the best thing ever. Screw powdercoating my gun...looks eh! id rather have this puppy..cant wait!
-sebastian

[FooTemps]

"san"? wow... I feel older now... lol, good thing you didn't call me chan or kun or anything...

I wouldn't say a mech trigger isn't a step back though. Think about it. If they put these on stock, mags will outperform the competition by an even larger margin than they already do.

[Smoken]

ddindc, Don't insult other members' reading abilities if you yourself make spelling errors ("anachronim" should be anachronism-- though I respect your ability to use the word). DirtyBunny is correct when he speaks of a high quality e-frame as being $400-500, b/c no company has yet produced a hihg quality (good tolerances, good solenoid) e-frame with no frills yet. Tom attemped to do this, but could not find a system that he was satisfied with, aside from the e-mag. I really think that you underestimate the marketability of a high-quality mechanical gun. People still drop over a thousand into cockers without going electro. Not everyone can make the jump to a high end electro, but many can start with a mag or cocker and slowly upgrade.

[QUINCYMASSGUY]

mech/electric

ddinc, I am in total agreement with you. If a no-frills E-trigger could be devised, nice short light and crisp pull with no screens, etc, just on and off modes, for $200 or a dropin kit for Intelliframes for $125 or so, then AGD should definitely go with that, especially if a switch to manual mode could still be factored in (safety works for both modes, switch can turn off electric but safety will work even if electronic mode is on). However, I think this might be difficult to do.

My guess is a microswitch located up near the safety, kind of above it but not so far forward it can work when the safety is on, would give a sickly short, light and crisp pull. A sliding switch that pushes the microswitch back so that the trigger can go in full range of motion and shoot manually if the electric mode is off would allow a simple switch to manual mode. The drop-in switch kit would basically be a switch with some of it cut out to fit it around the safety, shortened microswitch lever so pushing it back away from the trigger (off mode) doesn't get in the way of the safety or pull, and the battery could be stored in the grip frame.

The question is how to take a 9V or 9.6V and convert enough energy to properly cycle the Mag without risk of hurting the sear or anything. Solenoids do this, but this is where things get expensive and I presume because Mags are so high pressure the push required is causing the problem of cheaper E-frames being available.

So.... unless my idea holds water or someone else comes up with it, AGD has done very well in providing Emags and Xmags with Eframes and eyes, and hopefully soon a great alternative for those of us who would like a little less pull weight at a price below 150-200 or an eframe for $350 or some obscene number like that. If an easy Eframe was possible and could be sold affordable, someone like Shocktech would have already devised it. I got my ideas but they're simply that and I don't have the money or time to keep experimenting on them. AGD does and they are definitely on a roll for creating cool things, so keep it up AGD, you keep impressing us. And remember that it's our critiquing, commenting, speculating, and such that has played a key role in encouraging these new innovations.

[Russ]

Myself, I look forward to the 66% lighter pull with the new Mechanical trigger.

...and I'll definitely by one (maybe 2 )

[ddindc]

Smoken

Here's something I CAN spell: anal retentive.

[nerobro]

Actually.. a light trigger would make a 9 volt powered e-frame feasable. the reason for the big solinoid is that you'll pulling all the weight of the normal trigger pull with a little solinoid. this may be a step in a good direction for a "cheaper" electroframe

[davidb]

Ask somebody why they shoot an electro, chances are they'll tell you one of two things - Either the trigger, or the speed. The trigger they of course like because it allows them to achieve speed.
Ask an intelligent person why they shoot a Cocker, and chances are they'll respond with something like, "I just like the feel of them" or "They're just fun to shoot".

I would say that most people out there don't like electro triggers for any reason other than the speeds that they can achieve on them. Shooting a mech gun is fun for an entirely different reason. I don't know what it is, but it is damn near universal. Shooting an electro is fun for one sole reason - the shooter feels like a paintslingin' machine.

Tom says he can shoot a gun with this mod at the same speed he shoots his X! Do you have any idea how fast that is?! From what I've gotten from Tom in the years I've been on this forum, I'm pretty sure he shoots the same way I do when I shoot an electro. I will tell you right now, Tom, you show me a mod that lets me shoot that way on a Mag, and I will show you a Cocker in a box in my closet!

He said the parts were small. I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that these SuperMech triggers aren't going to be all that expensive to manufacture. Meaning that it should be no big deal to make them stock Mag equipment...

Mech triggers are an anachronysm... Which is why when the Cocker swing triggers and Cocker Hyperframes came out, everybody passed up the swing frames for the Hyperframes! Even now, you'll see a ton of hinge frames any time you go to a paintball field - far more than you'll see of Race/E-Blade/whateverelseisouttherenowelectro cockers.

The way I see it, this promises to make Mags the most fun to shoot guns available! Electro-equivalent speed, mechanical no-good-reason fun, and reliability (be it real or perceived).

Ask yourself this- If you could activate a microswitch or really pull a trigger at the same speed, for the same duration, with the same effort or lack thereof, which would be more fun?

Tom, if you doubt the selling ability of a GOOD mechanical trigger, please consult your good bud, well... Bud! I meant that about hanging up the Cocker for a Mag if this goes through!

[Jerhew]

Re: "Unsatisfied with what he saw"

Originally posted by ddinwdc
Maybe the Booyah or even the hyperframe, but there are a lot of top-rate etriggers out there now(eblade and racegun come to mind), and they are getting better and better every month. If given the choice between a $100 mecha trigger or a $200 etrigger, its a no-brainer. If the goal is to lighten the pull, then why do you care how its done? An etrigger will lighten it significantly more than a mecha, provide infinate bps and pull adjustability, and prevent short-strokes. A fast, light, and user-friendly trigger-why wouldn't you want that?

because dude
we don't like batteries!
call me a purist if you will
but unless i can switch it to manual mode
i'll never own an electro
there are a lot of us that prefer to leave the mouse click microswitches on our mouses

oh ya btw didnt the makers of both the race frame and the booyah go out of business?

[FooTemps]

hmmm... you put it very well davidb... The feel of an electro trigger and mech trigger are so different... If they both are light I'd pick the mech, it'd feel better imo. I can click a mouse all I want, but when I fire a mag I get a good feel for the trigger pull. The mag trigger pull doesn't feel like a simple click. If you get that same feel in 1/3 the effort I'd be happy.

[Jack & Coke]

Originally posted by nerobro
Actually.. a light trigger would make a 9 volt powered e-frame feasable. the reason for the big solinoid is that you'll pulling all the weight of the normal trigger pull with a little solinoid. this may be a step in a good direction for a "cheaper" electroframe

Good point!

[FooTemps]

BUT...

The light trigger is most of a chance a trigger assembly, not a valve mod.