I just got shot in the mouth by my on/off valve

[GT]

Re: I just got shot in the mouth by my on/off valve

Originally posted by j.t.
Now, I knew ahead of time this would be unsafe ACCEPT for the fact that I had degased the marker completly.

What blows me away are the amount of morons that can not read on this board, take a look at some of thier responses combined with thier post count. It begs the question, "How did you get this far?"

This topic has nothing to do with
1. Proper fittings
2. Degass procedure
3. Retro, RT, Xvavles
4. The use of nitro or co2.

IF some of you actually READ BEFORE YOU POST you will see that the problem is in the clasic valve holding some amount of air AFTER it has been degassed. Also stating that it hasnt happend to you really doesnt help this post along.

JT,
Just my guess but could your spring be to stiff and when you tried to release the small amount of air in the valve the bolt (edit: with the stiff spring) wouldnt allow the last bit of air out?

[Hexis]

Re: Re: I just got shot in the mouth by my on/off valve

Originally posted by gtrsi

This topic has nothing to do with
1. Proper fittings
2. Degass procedure
3. Retro, RT, Xvavles
4. The use of nitro or co2.

If you know this to be true, you must also know what causes the problem. No one has figured out exactly what the problem is yet, that's why people are asking questions. So please quit being a troll and let the troubleshooting proceed.

In my many years of owning a mag I have never seen this on my or any of my friends markers. That covers Classic Valves, ReTro Valves, both types with and without Level 10 installed. We degas fully and have always the valve be free of pressure.

[GT]

Re: Re: Re: I just got shot in the mouth by my on/off valve

Originally posted by Hexis
If you know this to be true, you must also know what causes the problem. No one has figured out exactly what the problem is yet, that's why people are asking questions. So please quit being a troll and let the troubleshooting proceed.

Get real, offer a possible solution or dont post, or did you miss my possible explanition?(Thus adding some intellgance to the post?) Also most of theses posts are either about how to degass a gun, stating that it has happened to them, or stating that in thier 30 years of mag use it has never happened, all of which a. dont matter, b. were covered in the first post. I guess we really do have a reading problem!

Stop wasting bandwidth about Troll comments, either PM me or hit me on AIM tonight if you like. again just for the record I did add my comments on the tailend of my post, reread it again

jb

[joker4hire]

If you think about how the AIR valve works, it can contain air inbetween the on/off pin and the bolt.

IF the amount of pressure isn't enough to move the bolt forward AND you some how keep the on/off pin in the closed position (like keeping your finger squeezed on the trigger).

That would keep the AIR valve pressurized... and if you somehow remove from the body rail, that will send the pin flying out of the valve.

With LX, you can have even higher pressure inbetween the pin and the bolt, because LX springs push the bolt back harder than the stock springs.

[LoveMyMagMoreThanYou]

Thank you joker4hire that is what I have been trying to tell them

[cphilip]

gtrsi, You best calm yourself down. I read everything you said and I again going to repeat what has been said AGAIN!

There would be no air in there if you completely degassed the marker. And I have taken them out countless times and NEVER was their retained air in mine. Black points out you may have a wrong fitting and we know for a fact your not degassing it. I never had one retain pressure when I released the line. NEVER. But most of mine are properly set up too.

[hitech]

A couple of things to try.

1. When you unscrew the tank (i.e. degas the marker) do NOT hold the trigger down.

2. If the reg. piston were to stick it could hold the regulator closed and retain pressure. Take out the velocity adjustment nut, spring pack and regulator piston. Make sure everything looks okay. Be sure to look inside the regulator 'body" and make sure it's clean and free of burs. Oil the regulator piston oring, grease the spring pack and reassemble.

Good luck.

[GT]

Originally posted by cphilip
gtrsi, You best calm yourself down. I read everything you said and I again going to repeat what has been said AGAIN!

There would be no air in there if you completely degassed the marker. And I have taken them out countless times and NEVER was their retained air in mine. Black points out you may have a wrong fitting and we know for a fact your not degassing it. I never had one retain pressure when I released the line. NEVER. But most of mine are properly set up too.

I think I can post what I like Cphilp, as long as the subject is within the user agreement, my posts have not been negative in the least infact, the MOD is reasponsible for keeping the thread on subject and not wondering off on tangets, as my first thread has been to clarify the problem. IF you dont like what I post or find it in error, fine, but saying that I need to calm down is kinda rediclous. Also being the MOD doesnt always mean you are right. Note there maybe other factors/varbials associated with this problem aside from degass procedure, so please lets keep an open mind here.Just beacuse YOU have worked on 'countless' markers for 'years' does not invalidate the experince of this person or any other on THIS board.

I HAVE YET TO SEE, how a mag setup with a screw in tank, can retain any pressure AT ALL!!!! Meaning that I cannot for any reason see why an AIR valve would retain any preasure after the tank has been removed unless the bolt spring doesn't allow the bolt to move in order to degass. If air gets into the valve I am sure it can return the same way it came unless there is some kind of one-way valve that was installed by the user, via thier airline. Also note other users whom have had this 'minor' issue were using a stock setup w/o lvl X.

Side Note: I have never had this problem either, however this is an intresting topic to me and I will continue to moniter it. Should you have any problems with me contact me via pm, aim@ Turb0minnow, or email [email protected]

[GT]

Originally posted by hitech
If the reg. piston were to stick it could hold the regulator closed and retain pressure. Take out the velocity adjustment nut, spring pack and regulator piston. Make sure everything looks okay. Be sure to look inside the regulator 'body" and make sure it's clean and free of burs. Oil the regulator piston oring, grease the spring pack and reassemble.

Good point

jb

[Dave]

Here is what I'll do...next time I get the chance, which will be soon, I'll take my mag up to Pev's in fairfax and get the low down from Rob on it...

I know this problem may sound wierd or non common, considering there are those that have serviced hundreds of valves, but this is a valid problem, and again, like I said, like so many have said before...

This is not about turning off the tank, or taking off fittings and what not, the air is soley left in the valve.

-Dave

[cphilip]

gtrsi, I am reffering to your calling people trolls and insisting people were too dumb to read. That is not on subject and offesive and not helpfull to your own interests. That should be obvious to you that it was unnessicary and what I am refering too. And that indeed is my job to control as even YOU point out.

[GT]

Originally posted by cphilip
gtrsi, I am reffering to your calling people trolls and insisting people were too dumb to read. That is not on subject and offesive and not helpfull to your own interests. That should be obvious to you that it was unnessicary and what I am refering too. And that indeed is my job to control as even YOU point out.

Cphillp,
If you want to dicuss this issue further use a PM. BTW as you incorrectly pointed out by not reading I DID NOT CALL anyone a troll. reread Hexis post. All I did was simply state that almost all of page one and page 2 delt with the inability for poster's reading skills, to now include your own lack of reading skills. Again I just pointed out to folks what the topic was about, an on/off issue, and none of the subsquent topics.

Sure my methods were a little harsh, but have you noticed the decrease in off-topic posts in this thread? IF anyone was offended becuase they were called out in a crude manor I am sorry. But then again I expect to hear from you sense incorrectly associating my post with Hexis

jb

[GT]

hmmm...

[Digits]

So you guys are saying that when you unscrew the field strip screw everything is flying out at you?

lol, if this is the case i'll be facing the gun towards the ground or something when I do this from now on.

[GT]

Originally posted by Digits
So you guys are saying that when you unscrew the field strip screw everything is flying out at you?

lol, if this is the case i'll be facing the gun towards the ground or something when I do this from now on.

It shouldnt since this is a rare problem. if you pull out the field strip screw and the valve still wont come out, that maybe a sign that the valve is still charged and the on/off pin is down.

jb