Shatnerball 2 full auto?

[cphilip]

Originally posted by booyah
Every big game and senario at Hells Survivors in Pickney Michigan allows full auto.

HS insures themselves so they are all for it, and I have never heard of a full auto induced accident there.

Unless they have a few million in escrow then they are just flat out stupid or just not insured and figure they have nothing to lose. And therefore if are seriously injured you are not going to recover your injuries and loss of quality of life. And that is his thought here is he realy doesn't care if you do cause he does not expect to lose enough by losing the business to care about insurance.

You lose two eyes there and you will be doomed to blindness forever and yes it will happen in the safe mask off areas. Even one eye lost could be the business lost right there. It would seem to be that they would only be encouraging this since they know they ARE NOT insured. And so could care less. But they could end up in jail too...

If something can be predicited to have a probablility of happening and you do nothing to prevent it...THEN IT IS NOT AN ACCIDENT. It's Negligence, plain and simple, and you better be insured against negligence too. Cause thats not only Civil liability but Criminal.

I would not play at this Field from what you told me. Hope it's not true.

[datapimp69]

phil,

HS is my local field.. they do allow FA at the big games.

i have used it at them before, granted it was for 2 sec of play and that was enuff, fliped back to semi and play the rest of the day.

i dont know if they are self insured or not. but they do let FA.

that being said, the most FA i have seen on the field is from 98RT's most people dont use it. i have played every big game there for the last 3 years and there havent been any problems.

HS is one of the best run fileds i have ever played at, the know how to run games with 3500+ people at them. you cant trun around with out running into a ref, and thats even in the middle of the woods. it kinda of creepie some times, craling thru the wood and all of a sudden there a ref in front of you.

i think the secret is that all of there big games are 2 days, the people that ref on sat, get to play free on sun. and the people that played free on sat ref on sun.

well i dont know where im going with this but it is one of the saffest fields i heve played at.

[Vendetta]

FA was allowed at Waynes World a couple of weeks ago. I don't think it made much of a differnce. The fields were huge, and it was mostly long-ball. FA doesn't help much there.

[RT pRo AuToMaG]

when full auto is allowed, it's usually limited to 13bps.

[Jerhew]

politics, ignorance, and the misguided

[i]
I believe the dangers of FA are not necessarily on the field... more in the safe zone and with accidental discharges. [/B]

ok here we go again with the fa arguement
and this is what i always say...

the anti full auto is the same as the whole anti rt thing going on
it's a witch hunt!

come on
explain to me how a full auto...esp a mechanical gun with f/a(and who's trigger pull is atleast a pound) is more dangerous than a breath-on-the-trigger-and-it-fires electro????
hi i own an xmag and i have the trigger set so light that if i set it down it goes off
but man is full auto dangerous
gimme a break
(sorta reminds me of the marijuana/alcohol arguement...but don't even get me started)

but anyway ya EMR used to allow full auto but i think they changed insurance companies and no longer allow it

[gamarada717]

I don't believe in shooting guns in FA mode because it takes no talent to hold a trigger down. besides, most markers now days can be shot as fast as they could in FA mode.

[Jerhew]

granted
but
that's no reason to outlaw them
it's supposedly a safety concern
and the nppl is worried about sweetspotting rts
yet there are no minimnum trigger pull weight rules in effect

am i alone in believing that a hair trigger is much more dangerous than full auto with a heavy trigger or sweetspotting an rt mag(which even when setup to malfunction is rather difficult to accomplish)

oh and by the way
where's the talent in the mouseclick triggers anyway
the talent is in the aiming
if you want to talk talent
maybe we should just get rid of markers all together and just throw paint with our hands

[manike]

Re: politics, ignorance, and the misguided

Jerhew I fully agree that there is a serious danger posed to accidental discharges from electro's with a very light trigger.

The chance is that some kid at home will pick the gun up, look down the barrel and pull the trigger, shooting a ball into an eye. Yeah that is more likely but it's not the major concern of the eye council. They accept that single eye blindings may happen and that people can learn to live with one eye.

They say with a light electro trigger they may fire one shot and lose one eye and drop the gun etc.

Originally posted by Jerhew
explain to me how a full auto...esp a mechanical gun with f/a(and who's trigger pull is atleast a pound) is more dangerous than a breath-on-the-trigger-and-it-fires electro????

BUT what they don't want is a kid looking down the barrel, firing a double shot and losing BOTH eyes. That's what they find unacceptable.

So if the kid picks up a mechanical marker and is looking down the barrel when he pulls the trigger, he would have pulled it quite hard and there is a much greater chance with a full auto that he will have pulled it long enough to fire multiple shots and then he loses both eyes.

The risk of DOUBLE eye blindness is greater with FA guns than it is with semi auto's. Although yes the risk of single eye blindness is far greater with super light electro triggers.

It seems the single eye blinding is something to avoid, but far more acceptable to the eye council (since accidents do happen) than a double eye blinding.

All they really want to avoid is chances of a double eye blinding.

[ReTroMagBoy]

ALSO!!.....full auto is not allowed mainly because back in the day of barrel-plugs it was a concern that multiple shots could discharge the barrel plug....and paintballs could come out.

[cphilip]

Originally posted by datapimp69
phil,

HS is my local field.. they do allow FA at the big games.

HS is one of the best run fileds i have ever played at, the know how to run games with 3500+ people at them. you cant trun around with out running into a ref, and thats even in the middle of the woods. it kinda of creepie some times, craling thru the wood and all of a sudden there a ref in front of you.

well i dont know where im going with this but it is one of the saffest fields i heve played at.

It most certainly can be all that and still in the end not be able to compensate someone for being blind. It could end up the best run field in the business that was closed due to bankruptcy caused by a liability claim. It may be the best run field in the business that opened itself up to liability from allowing FA. It only takes one mistake to counteract all the good in the world. That was where I was going with it. Insurance or not.

Given fact is that FA increases the likelyhood that multiple balls will be launched in an accidental discharge and allowing it increases the frequency and probablility that one marker will be set on FA in the safety zone and multiple balls will be accidentaly discharged at someone with no Mask on. And that is the logic behind just not allowing it. Its not the on the field issue at all. It's the probablilities that it increases off the field.

[manike]

Let me just state that I don't have a problem with the use of FA on the field in terms of safety (I do in terms of skill though).

I don't think FA on the field is any more dangerous than the semi auto markers we have nowadays.

The danger is off the field and in accidental circumstances.

[datapimp69]

isnt it the same problem FA or not.

it comes down to idoits in the staging area. shooting there guns off when they shouldnt.

i know that with FA you may get more then one ball and could lose both eyes. but i have seen people in the staging area pull there semi trigger more then once.

the problem still lies with the idoits that will mess around when they shouldnt be.

as for on the field the problem of over shooting still exits with or without FA, didnt rocky (or sombody) overshoot someone durring a bunker move then nocked the guy out cold? he didnt have FA.

it is all about control or your marker at all times.

i am not trying to support one side or the other, just comments

[manike]

Datapimp, think outside of normal paintball.

The danger in the safe zone is real (and I'm not reducing that at all), but the danger that is being obsessed over by the eye council is not people playing or being part of paintball.

It's the gun at home being picked up by your son/daughter who is too young or has never played to understand the markerk or in the hands of a kid playing outlaw etc.

The people within paintball that set the triggers too light or that mess around shooting in the safe zone, need us as players to come down on them. They are irresponsible and should be more careful for themselves and our sport.

[WARPED1]

Insurance companies will no longer give a field insurance if said field allows FA, this was the case last time I checked.

[Jerhew]

manike
ok that does seem fair enough i suppose
except that those people who leave full auto paintball guns lying around gassed up and loaded
should be in the same catergory as people who do that with real guns
complete morons.
and at home that should be a concern...(and if you have a small child your paintball gun should NOT be accessible to them,especially connected to an air source)
but how does that affect things at the field
they still do SELL full auto paintball guns regardless of what fields allow them so it still seems like a mute point to me

i imagine the eye council puts the pressure on the insurance companies hoping that if no fields allow full auto, they'll stop being sold

i suppose it's just a way to minimize risk factors
but i still say if they're going to do that, they should also have a minimum pull weight on electros