2004 EMag???

[JAM]

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[hitech]

Just thought I would help clear some thinks up.

Here are excerpts from manike's post about the manafacture of the XMag:

Originally posted by manike

Time to put the record straight because I don't want other people taking what you said as an opinion to be fact...If AGDE decided to stop right now but let AGD continue with the X-mag, AGD wouldn't be able to offer you the X-mag at the current price.

The cost of the body is not in copyright to AGDE.

There is no 'one shop' contracted to do the milling.

AGDE would be very happy to get someone else to do it I believe. They never wanted to do production they just wanted to do R&D with their mill. Last I heard they would be very happy if Tom could get a shop to make them in the USA...

X-mag bodies are made by AGDE in Europe, because that is currently the cheapest place to get them made. And that's the bottom line. You can't get the numbers made (and that are demanded) anywhere else at the same or for less. SO what choices are there?...

AGDE aren't stopping X-mags being made anywhere else.

They aren't charging through their teeth for AGD to use the X-mag design.

They aren't limiting the numbers being made other than because there is physically no way of making more on their mill...

If Tom wants more in the USA, he needs to find a way to make that happen for the USA.

Also there is more to the X-mag than just the body...

The ACE and board takes time to make and to assemble. The Frames need to be machined to accept the ACE board (= extra cost ) (all supposed to be done in the USA I think). Several batches of guns have been held up by frames and ACE boards...

[DiRTyBuNNy]

Jam...I love you man...that thing is dead sexy..how about a nice blue (back) to black (front) for you old friend, DB...hehehehehe

[lack of grace]

JAM

Man those look superb.....

I would buy two....Imagin the color scheming you color hook those up with.

damn nice....

[maglover52]

me like the first two.

[Gecko]

2004 emag
ULE body
ULE rail
ULE gripframe
Xvalve
Lvl 10
Max rof 20 bps
Various Colors
Price ~~800

all i want is a machine gun to lay waste to anyone dumb enough to stick there head out. Look at how succesful the gz timmy is, no show just go. The more tourneys i play the more i just want somthin i'm not afraid to scratch and somthing thats always works.

[xadamx]

i think is a good idea, worth of tom looking into(if he already hasnt ) i really like both designs, the second one seems like it would be cheaper for AGD to produce b/c it looks like it just requires a little milling on the original rail and a new body. props jam

[Vendetta]

Hey Jam, How about styling up that battery pack too.

[nippinout]

Looking good.

BUT... The ULE body doesn't go over the valve at all. Without that extra chunk of metal, cutting the body so part of the valve is exposed looks ugly. I've done some drawings, and they don't look nice at all without that extra chunk of metal.

I would also think that the design should step a little away from the xmag feel. This doesn't have all of the contours, but takes the same feel.

Inspiration from the xmag, not a cheaper production cost xmag.

[Kevmaster]

Originally posted by Gecko
2004 emag
ULE body
ULE rail
ULE gripframe
Xvalve
Lvl 10
Max rof 20 bps
Various Colors
Price ~~800

all i want is a machine gun to lay waste to anyone dumb enough to stick there head out. Look at how succesful the gz timmy is, no show just go. The more tourneys i play the more i just want somthin i'm not afraid to scratch and somthing thats always works.

that is what agd plans to make for all up comming emags once they can make enough ule bodies to have some extras to put on emags

[Jack & Coke]

Great ideas Jam!

How about an AGD version of the PTP Micro Emag?

Combine the rail and body -> unibody...

Integrate a subtle snatch grip...

Keep the milling simple and clean...

[WARPED1]

Re: ...

Originally posted by RogueFactor
As I have heard the story.....Tom doesnt make them stateside becuase AGDEurope owns the design and control over where they are manufactured.

Its all a part of the licensing agreement when AGDE designed the body, and the only place these bodies will ever come from is Europe, unless AGD Europe decides otherwise.

Why doenst Tom make a CNC version that looks like the Europe 1-piece body? Most likely becuase of a non-compete clause in the licensing agreement.

You dont think AGDEurope would go to the time and expense of the programming and all the R&D to have Tom knock off their body do ya?

This body does not belong to AGD US. Its design is owned by AGD Europe, who is a separate entity altogether from AGD US.

So Tom needs to buy the rights to the design. Don't give me the expensive argument crap, they'd make money back in no time. AGD has this habit of creating demand and not delivering. I remember the early 90's when the mag first came out. Everyone wanted one, no one could get one. They were like $450 at the time too.

[Splathappy]

Yea JAM has some realy Valid points and the revamped E-Mag desgins are realy nice.. Here is another vote for the the 2004 E-mag... can i preorder mine now

[hitech]

Originally posted by WARPED1
So Tom needs to buy the rights to the design. Don't give me the expensive argument crap, they'd make money back in no time.

Originally posted by Manike
The cost of the body is not in copyright to AGDE....

Last I heard they would be very happy if Tom could get a shop to make them in the USA...

X-mag bodies are made by AGDE in Europe, because that is currently the cheapest place to get them made. And that's the bottom line....

AGDE aren't stopping X-mags being made anywhere else...

They aren't charging through their teeth for AGD to use the X-mag design...

If Tom wants more in the USA, he needs to find a way to make that happen for the USA.

[Vendetta]

can i preorder mine now

That would be the 2005 edition if you order now.