"Mag's went downhill man"

[GT]

why do we need to inform the world about our 'mags? Tell the whole world they suck, and let the mag do the talk'n!

jb

[spacedtedybear]

Mags suck because they're heavy

Real men ( Or women) don't notice the weight of their gun.

[Teen]

i never got a bad comment about my mag. my first tournament i went to, all the guys with good cockers and angels and stuff would walk by and yell "MAGS RULE!" LOL

[sneakyhacker420]

cockers can cycle up to 30bps... just look at www.racegun.dk and watch the videos of the cocker shooting 24bps on full auto

well... mags have level 10, which stops chops, PLUS the x-mags have not only LX, but also ACE... plus the retro/x-valve cycle rate is 37bps, which will whoop any cockers arse any time, any place, any day.


mags are heavy? man up! come on, you can handle a couple extra ounces... if not... just get ULE parts

mags are short and wide? wtf, its not wide at all, its probably THE smallest gun that can shoot over 10 bps

[Ov3rmind]

Mags chop! Mags are heavy! Cockers are slow! Cockers break down a lot!

I love to hear each side argue about guns they really don't know anything about.

[Blazestorm]

I can chop any gun. I have chopped many guns and will continue to, there has not been a single gun I haven't chopped.

GZ Timmy, 2k2 Timmy, Classic Timmy, Angel LED, Angel LCD, Angel IR3, Angel LCD with ACE, Racegun with Eyes (Yes on), Eblade with eye (Yes on), Every cocker you can think of, plenty of spyders and tippmanns, I even chopped my phantom. Chopped too many lvl 10 mags to even count, emag, plenty of matrixes, shockers, impulses, even a strange vision imp, uhm... what else... oo viking and excal... chopped those...

Hasn't been a gun I haven't chopped.

Mags can chop
Mags can be heavy
Mags can be slow
Mags can be inaccurate
Cockers can chop
Cockers can be heavy
Cockers can be slow
Cockers can be inaccurate

[einhander619]

I've heard negative comments about the RT classic I had from shop owners, but they are some of the most one-sided people I've ever met. One guy dissed it pretty hard, but he disses every gun that comes in there unless it's an impulse or an eblade cocker. As far as players go, I got only compliments. Even down in jaded socal, I had a kid with a ripper timmy begging to trade me guns for a game. AGD simply needs a new marketing image, something that takes advantage of the engineering background.

maglover52 - I have played at oregon paintball, and yes, it is one of the worst fields I've ever played at. I got into a huge argument with a ref because I was chronoing with my own paint! Also, never give adrenaline sportz your business!

[GT]

Originally posted by Ov3rmind
I love to hear each side argue about guns they really don't know anything about.

see Blazestorm's post.

jb

[poloniusreep]

I'm tired of people bashing mags and have nothing to base it on I'd kill for an E-mag. Tom who do you want me to kill I'll throw in Budd Orr for free ? People keep saying there buds new plan I spray Budd Ore when I get my hands on an E-mag if I can avoid the tricked out cocker he must have

[Ov3rmind]

Originally posted by gtrsi



see Blazestorm's post.

jb

Yeah, they can have those characteristics. But not all of them do. Saying all Cockers break down because some do is not very logical.

That means I could say, "Mags are reliable, but they aren't relaible."

When people usually insult a gun, they don't refer to potential flaws. They refer to flaws that they think are in all of the guns that are produced under that company/model. And these insults as I was pointing out, are often untrue or are just rumors.

PS, poloniusreep. I think TK and Bud Orr are friends.

[Bucky]

maybe people would jump back on the mag bandwagon if tom put little sparklies in the anno, and came out with a board that is capped at 10,000 bps....oh oh! and and random shiny things you could just tape to what ever part of the gun you wanted i.e. barrel, reg, trigger, pant leg, what ever you wanted. and it would automaticly make it low pressure, twice as light, certified babe magnent, street legal, and the COOLEST thing since disco.

[WARPED1]

Originally posted by poloniusreep
I'm tired of people bashing mags and have nothing to base it on I'd kill for an E-mag. Tom who do you want me to kill I'll throw in Bud Ore for free ?

Well, first off, it's Budd ORR, ang he's good friends with Tom.

[spydervenom]

Originally posted by punkncat
The only electronic markers I know of that won't shoot beyond that are BKO and stock "E" Spyders.

spyders have the ability of 50+cps and they are capped at 13.

[breg]

Brak was right, you need to add an LCD scree. But, he forgot to mention the fuzzy dice.

Mags gone down hill?

I really can't see that. I mean, I've been playing for about a year now, and I'm still a newbie. But, from what I've seen and dealt with, Mags are on the way back up. I might (in a very tired and there fore ignorant state) say that they are now catching up with some of the less important aspects of the paint ball industry at large. Aluminium bodies, cocker threading (though I LOVE the twist lock), etc. I have to tell you, I love my RT/Pro. It never gave me a problem in all the times I've used it.
But, let's talk about some of the things that AGD has not changed, and maybe we'll see what old dude in the Proshop was talking about.

1. Field stripping: That thumb screw is sooooo out dated. Who in thier right mind would want a marker that easily strips down, with all of the inner workings in one modular, easy to maintain component?

2. Moving parts: I mean c'mon, there are waaaaaaaaaay too few moving parts. Most of us serious players want a lot of moving parts so there is more of a chance for things to go wrong. (I'm not trying to throw down any design here, I've shot Timmies, Bushies, Cockers, an Electro Cocker, and a Matrix. And they shot really well. I just think that AGD has the right idea: Fewer moving parts = fewer problems.)

3. Body design: Who in the world would want something like that. Low profile? Never in my game.

If you can't tell, the sarcasm from the above paragraphs show, I disagree with the guy in the proshop.

Maybe it's because I'm a newbie, but I think a marker's preformance relies on how well you know your marker. (You can't forget indivual skill) You give someone an Angel, and if they never used one before, they won't do as well with it vs. the person who owns it. I think that is a major factor is the stigma surrounding ALL markers, not just mags. Another thing is that old saying about first impressions. If all you ever see is a guy with a marker having problems, you will think that those markers are problematic. Weather they are or not. In all honesty, you have to be objective and form your own opinion about them. The first marker I used was a rental Procarbine. Rentals are used an abused, so it wasn't the best, and now I'm not very big on Tippmanns. Then I got a TL Plus, I liked it a lot, then I shot my friend's Classic Mag in a game. Then I went TDY to Kuwait to afford a Mag of my own.
It's always funny to go to the field and after a coulpe of games, have people telling me how cool my marker is, and how much paint I rain down upon th opposition. But, then on the same note, I'm thinking about buying a Cocker. I just want a marker that I can trick out from here to a month of sundays. (I still like Mags more though.)

And, in closing I'll leave you with this thought- AGD hasn't gone down hill, they just had more fun getting to the top of it.

Thanks,

Breg
(Sorry about the rambeling post)

[Blazestorm]

Oooooook.


It is possible to make mags not chop
It is possible to make mags not be heavy
It is possible to make mags be accurate
It is possible to make mags be fast
It is possible to make cockers not chop
It is possible to make cockers not be heavy
It is possible to make cockers be accurate
It is possible to make cockers fast

Mags : LVL 10, ULE Parts, Good Barrel + Good Paint, Retro-Valve
Cockers : Anti-Chop Bolt, ACE from an Eblade or Racegun, Proper tuning of LPR and springs, Milling, Good Barrel + Paint, Eblade + Racegun + Sandridge + Uprising (etc.)

Between Cockers and Mags... they can be anything. Heavy, Light, Choppomatics, or anti-chopping, Fast, slow, inaccurate, accurate.

I'm just sick of saying cockers break down, because my cocker is more reliable than all my friends mags. They spend half their time fixing their lvl 10's when I'm sitting here shooting my cocker that shoots good and rarely chops (Needs better spring tuning, and LPR)

and I'm sick of people bashing mags, because my mag was awesome and I made 350 bucks off it! (whoops did I say that?) My mag shot good, didn't chop or break, and was FAST... maybe too fast