Autocockers: Your Thoughts

[cledford]

After seeing the recharge curve of the RT on Tom's gun dyno - you would NEVER want to own ANY other gun that didn't have an RT based valve. I'm currently working on a article that discusses the whole matter - but in short, cocker, timmy, viking, angel, trix, whatever is only as strong as it's gun regulator - none of them can hold a candle to the RT and from what I can see - as it is impossible for a human to fire it BEFORE it has completely recharged due to how fast it recovers. There is a technical reason for this behavior which no other reg can provide - but that is for the article due to it's complexity. Anyhow, with any other reg it appears you can start to outshoot it over 9-10bps. That means shoot-down and inconsistency - although it varies based on gun and reg setup. The one thing for sure is that the RT will NEVER suffer from the problem.

-Calvin

[askman]

I own emag, zbodymag, pump mag, sydarm, custom cocker, blazer and typhoon. so 4 mags and 3 cocker type. My cocker and blazer is about twice as efficient shotwise, and do 10bps without shootdown. Frankly, I don't mind using either a cocker or mag, but my first love is mag. I just picked up a 88/4500 stubby tank for it. should give me plenty of shots.

They are both good markers, and reliable if you don't mess with it. Even my typhoon can hold its own. (only about 6bps due to heavy trigger though, but great fun for rec ball. loud and accurate)

[reefer madness]

they are some of the best guns out there but way too trendy for me. thats why i got a mag

[zen_dawg]

I think people are in awe when they see the back black slapping against the body during rapid fire

[Fatjon]

!

I just got my cocker tuesday. And i used it saturday. All i can say wow. It shot faster than my mag. And did not chop 1 ball out of the case i shot. I loved it.

[bunkermaster10]

cockers

I really like cockers. But I hate the fact that they are really hard to take care of. Everday I go to my field and I see ever cocker owner having some kind of problem. So thats why I went with a mag.

[AzrealDarkmoonZ]

Cockers rarely require maintenance as long as they are well cared for...

Quite simply if everything is tightened and all screws are in the proper places a cocker will not slip out of place. They are harder to take apart and they do involve more care than a mag but almost anyone can learn how to take care of them, and keep them running properly.

Cledford, I disagree with the fact that no other regulator can achieve over 9-10 bps without shootdown, I beleive they and know they can, its just a matter of maximizing your available air usage and getting a high quality regulator, a matter of flow and charge and of course how the gun uses the air. Also the RT does have a weakness, its reliance on high pressure inputs at the upper end of the CPS spectrum, it needs that higher pressure and from what I saw from I beleive Ody HALO video most regs are not able to achieve the ultra high pressure the RT needs, hence why they used a scuba tank. Granted it is a moot point since most people will never see 20 cps but when extolling the RTs super recharge you can note that recharge comes with a price of high input pressure and a system is only as good/fast as the slowest part.

If you buy a cocker please come on over and stop by www.air-powered.com we are a generally nice group who do not propagate ancient myths. We know cockers don't shoot farther...but we do like em more.

Az...www.air-powered.com

And just so I do not appear totally biased I shot a MicroRT for over 6 months and loved it.

[hAppy]

my friend had a cocker
than he traded it for a b2k cus cockers need "cocker fingers" its easy to shortstroke

[ugabiged88]

I have had my 2k2 vertical feed autococker for one year and a half and it has never broken down. The only thing that I have had to do was tweek the timing a little, because of a small leak coming from the three way every time I pulled the triger. The only problem in one and a half years only caused slightly less shots per tank. Also I almost never chop with my cocker, just once every 2000 shots or so.

The other awesome thing: I get 1300 shots from a 68ci 3000 psi tank, with not upgraded internals.

[DroopyTheBacker]

I never said the cocker being based of a pump was a problem, I said I think it is the cocker's main downfall. Meaning that's what I dislike about them. I shot them for around a year, owned a 2k and then I built my custom after I upgraded the 2k a bit. I still have it and shoot it from time to time, but I never understood why they based it off a pump. Don't lash at me saying I've never shot one. Just voicing my opinion here.

[Automaggin2]

i switched from a mag to a cocker, and i can tel you this, i will never ever go back to mag I love my cocker to death, it is probably one of the sweetest guns i have ever shot.

[la690]

Originally posted by AzrealDarkmoonZ

...Also the RT does have a weakness, its reliance on high pressure inputs at the upper end of the CPS spectrum, it needs that higher pressure and from what I saw from I beleive Ody HALO video most regs are not able to achieve the ultra high pressure the RT needs, hence why they used a scuba tank...

they didnt use a scuba tank because the mag NEEDED it. they used it to show what the HALO could do at high speeds. And at pressues getting into 1K+ the mags do go a lot faster. But even at around 800psi, which most PB tank regs can give, the RT will still tear apart any other mech gun and many E guns.

[nerobro]

Man what a wonderfull subject.

Anyone with a mind on their shoulders doesn't "hate" one gun or another without good reason. That said... there are a few guns I encourage people to avoid like the plague.. cockers and mags are not them ;-) *cough* smartparts *cough*

For a large part animosity between gunowners is a large measure ignorance.

Mag owners think cockers are slow, and are maintnance problems. And are easy to short stroke. And are heavy. Reality is quite different. Cockers are faster than their regs are at this point. They are around the same weight as a mag, and only require maintnance when someone tries to fix what's not broken.

Cockers are NOT easy to short stroke if properly timed.... sad to say, but most cockers are NOT properly timed.

Cocker owners think mags are slow. they think mags are heavy. They think their triggers suck. And they think mags have less range and aren't as accurate. I'll let you tear apart that arguement yourself.

I shoot my cocker much more often than my mag. For one reason. It feels better to me. (and my velocity consistancy is somewhat better...) If you check out the racegun videos, speed shouldn't be a question. If you're shortstroking, time it right, and use a harder hammer spring. (that makes the trigger snappy and forces you to pull the trigger far enough) and crank up the LPR.

Going by pure preformance numbers, cockers can nearly match mags for rof. And that's a number you can't hope to reach without being on a half a pound of speed. And for efficancy, they can blow mags out of the water.

Now to do that, the gun needs to be tuned, and setup right. And at that point LEFT ALONE. That's why you hear so many horror stories about cockers. People who dont' comprehend what they're doing, end up making the gun preform terriably.

Now mags.... Just work. no tuning involved. And they work. :-) Kinda nice eh? There's a reason I own a mag too..... they're a mecanically beautiful design.

Wanna talk a rabid group of gun owners ;-) talk to some M98 users with flatlines. *shivers*

Just so ya know. My tourny gun right now is an e-spyder with a hyperflow n2 tank on it. (feed a gun right, and a blowback will keep up with the best of them) I have a cocker, a mag, and 8 other seperate kinds of gun. They all have something endeering about them.

[la690]

Originally posted by nerobro


Wanna talk a rabid group of gun owners ;-) talk to some M98 users with flatlines. *shivers*

YIKES hahaha. i know exactly how you feel.

[WickeDKlowN]

Originally posted by nerobro
Anyone with a mind on their shoulders doesn't "hate" one gun or another without good reason. That said... there are a few guns I encourage people to avoid like the plague.. cockers and mags are not them ;-) *cough* smartparts *cough*

Well put Nero!

Well, I love mags, I love cockers. Infact, I think I just bought a 'cocker... lol, still waiting for the guys reply.