I demand AGD Work on this right now or I'm buying a Cocker!!!! ;)

[El Fox!?]

Oooooo well, I guess I typed all that myths things for nothing.

[than205]

Not flaming you...just some possible reading.
I'd like to hear your thoughts on on some of the posts here:

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=64669

[joeyjoe367]

My very first 'mag was a Z-bodied mag.


...Man, was that thing SWEET or what? I could shoot all the way across some of the smaller fields I've played on. Geeze, it was awesome to be able to point my gun directly at what I was shooting with no arc at all, and be able to tag guys off the break with trees hanging overhead. Man, I loved that thing.

Honeslty, the only thing keeping me from going back to a z-body is the fac that they're powerfeed. I don't like how it balances the gun. I like low-profile/center-balanced.

If they made a hopper-right version that accepted warp feeds... that would be even sweeter. Turn that puppy side ways and shoot around and over people's bunkers I couldn't do that with a grav-fed hopper because you'd only get 1 shot, then you have to tilt the hopper back up to feed another ball

Anyway, I'm 100% for AGD working on a backspin automag. It's always been in the back of my mind .

I've always debated; for my next gun, would it be an e-mag, or a Z-bodied RT? Well, seeing as my current RT is going to get a trigger-job in the near future (A la ULE Trigger ) It looks like Z-body or backspin of some sort is in the works for me




...and read El-FOx's posts. He speaks the truth.

[Patron God of Pirates]

In what little experience I have with both the Z-Body and Flatline, Fox's statements are true.

Rod- Your a seasoned netizen, so I don't think I have to tell you that about 50% of people responding to threads read only the first post. So don't feel like your spitting into the wind. They likely just didn't read your Myths post. Plus it was very long - allot of people just skip uber posts.

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Like JJ said, I would love to see an AGD backspin body that took Warps. I have a Z-Body now, but I have a few problems with it. Mostly that the Lv.10 bolt does not fit in it.

If AGD does this they have a list of guaranteed purchases from me. My future project mag(?):

SLM LVX Y W Z ULER RT-Mag

Thats: Super Light Mechanical, Level 10, Y Gripped, Warped, Z-Bodied, ULE Railed, Retro, Mag.

The lightest, fastest firing, lightest on paint, most comfortable, lowest profile, worst on gas, mechanical marker on the planet!

[spydervenom]

how many people shoot exactly straight up and down though? that sounds wierd but you know what i mean.


but if you like the barrel, i guess you would have the time and money to waste to train yourself to shoot it right.



ps...whats the magnus effect? some sort of effect that defy's the law of conservation of energy?

[Patron God of Pirates]

The backspin on the ball controls the vortex shedding in such a way as to create lift. I believe thet is the Magnus effect, but I could be wrong their.

It's the speed increase I don't buy into just yet. For exactly the reason you just stated.

[joeyjoe367]

Yeah, that's magnus effect.

[spydervenom]

i just did a search on it and i found that it just has to do with spinning of sphears and the directions they travel basically(what you said)

nothing about speed...

[Vendetta]

It's the speed increase I don't buy into just yet. For exactly the reason you just stated

I don't think they claim in increase of velocity, that's imposible, but I can see the spinning might make the balls cut through the air with less resistance. Thus making them apear to move faster than regular paintballs.

[askman]

I also have the zbody, which I just picked up, with emag valve and level x. The level x bolt is slightly bigger than the hole in the stainless steel insert. I used a reamer I had(it was an old 16 gauge shotgun chamber reamer that I had lying around from my gunsmithing days, not likely to be availble to most people) and ream it out. The aluminum body itself is big enough for the level X bolt. You can actually see a lip between the SS insert and body. I think you should be able to fix it with half inch or 5/8" dowel wrapped with sand paper. I've also heard people sanding the bolt down. (you only need to take off .005" diameter, so it is pretty small amount)

I have also installed elcd grip that I had lying around, and is in the process of testing it. it is nice compact package, and have not decided on the feed system yet.

as regard to velocity of PB with spin, while the velocity will not increase, it will fly more efficiently. Vortex shedding robs velocity(it takes energy to move the pb side ways, ) With magnus effect, vortex shedding is eliminated, allowing the ball the retain more energy over distance. So, it will be at higher velocity compared to normal ball without spin at a given range.

[hitech]

Originally posted by askman
With magnus effect, vortex shedding is eliminated...

Are you sure about this? I have not been able to find ANYONE who has tested this. I have been unable to find any conclusive research on the effects of spin on vortex shedding (and I've LOOKED). Maybe you could point me in the right direction?

[Surreal]

what about a halo strength ball detent, coming from the top of the gun down into the chamber (to get the backspin started as the ball is pushed past the detent), coupled with an undertow bolt (www.imperialpaintball.com .. i'm POSITIVE you can get bill to make them for mags), and if that's not enough, do the thing with the rough finish on the top of the barrel (no porting on the barrel).. that would definitely put enough backspin on the ball...

[spydervenom]

i dont think that ball detent idea would work really...but it might help out if you are doing all of that stuff.