Angel or Matrix

[puckmaster]

Okay, i'm buying a new gun and its between the TMC Matrix and the Angel IR3. Whats the good and bad of each gun? And which one do you prefer perfomance wise and cosmeticly? Also, are there any other places that sell stock matrixes of the aardvark and thematrixcenter?

I dont want anybody saying that i should get a speed or an e-mag. I already have an e-mag, i i hate the speeds.

[Mossman]

Angel: Name, reliability, space frame, looks, better efficiency

Matrix: Speed, quietness, lack of feedback to the gun (Shooting a matrix to me feels like you're playing with your gun with no air, just solenoid clicks, except paint comes out, it's nutty). Uhh...worse efficiency.

Both are great guns, and both will shoot as fast as you can pull the trigger. I'm partial to the looks and comfort of the ir3 (BTW, get a speed not an IR3, SPEED), however for sheer performance I'd take the matrix.

[darklord]

[ugabiged88]

Shoot both and see which one you like better.

[bunkermaster10]

markers?

I love both markers.

My thoughts:

Matrix- no kick at all, great trigger pull, efficiency is poop (unless you have that one bolt), the marker to me is big and that about it.

Angel- everything you really need in a marker. Fast, awesome looking, NAME (awww its an angel), efficiency is better then the matrix and reliability is much better.

[xadamx]

the trigger pull on the matrix(the one i shot anyway) is almost gummy, which i hate. angels have a crisper trigger pull. both are fantastic guns however. its all up to you and your preference

[mykroft]

Angel:

Pro's: Reliable, no upgrades required, good efficiency, good looking, Space Frame on Speed/IR3, lots of Custom Angels, cheap to buy used, decent HPR.

Con's: Expensive to buy new, useless anti-chop system, requires Angel barrels, not terribly fast by todays standards, bad resale value, Space Frame on Speed/IR3, Angels other than Speed can be hard on paint.

Matrix:

Pro's: Easy to shoot Stupid fast(Rolling the trigger= easy 16+bps with good loader), takes cocker or spyder barrels, very easy on paint, Good resale Value.

Con's: Moderate to poor efficiency(Depending on presence of bolt kit), absolutely requires addition of Bolt Kit, Gun20 Chip and Trinity (Or other LPR) if you get an LED (These come with the LCD), it's huge, Snort Barrel wins the Ugliest ***** Award, stock HPR is crap.


Of course, I sold my Fly 2 LCD and bought LED Matrix. It's just so easy to shoot a 'Trix with a properly set up trigger stupidly fast. And the Aardvark 45 Frame is one of the best grips I've run across (Tied with the Intelliframe for best grip, IMHO).

And if you love the Angel's Trigger, Angel LCD triggers can be used in Matrix's with a mild mod (Matrix trigger pin is thicker). Matrix Triggers do not fit Angels though (There's an extra lobe on them). Matrix triggers are very crisp normally.

[CpSuPeRkId]

to sum it up, if u get a matrix you are getting the smoothest and nicest shooting gun on the planet, but nothing more than that. im not gonna say its super fast and doesnt chop paint cuz we all know the high end guns are crazy fast and wont chop. so the only PROS it has OVER the angel ir3 or speed is that it has a smoother shot. but then again it has a smoother shot than every gun out there right now. other than that its kinda heavy, its an oring eater and constantly leaks, and its not very air efficient. with ALL the mods, its still not as air efficient as an angel.

ir3s arent as fast as matrices because of how they are programmed(im not going into that, basically how a timmy with was is soo easy to rip on) so a matrix with a G20 chip is going to be easier to rip on. also, cops2 DOES work aweosme and its not a useless anti chop system. it does prevent you from chopping and works great with no problems that eyes have. the best part is the reliability. no gun except an emag is as reliable and to tell you the truth ive seen more emags down on the field than angels here at the badlandz. its usually something minor like an untuned LX or something so no big deal. so if u want everything in a paintball gun except a shot as smooth as a matrix's then id definitely go with an angel. btw, why do u hate speeds??? its like an ir3 but lighter, simpler, most definitely faster(yes its actually faster, not just a higher capped rof), has an upgraded version of cops2 that works extremely well and simply doenst let the gun fire if theres no paintball present, and best of all it still had wdps reliability. so if u dont like the speeds for some reason maybe u should look into them some more before you base your decision off of the looks.(not saying you are, but other than that, whats not to like about it???)

[Troy]

Why not an Emag?

Between those two I would buy a matrix.

[darklord]

Re: markers?

Originally posted by bunkermaster10
My thoughts:

Matrix- efficiency is poop (unless you have that one bolt)

The TMC (the matrix center) edition matrix comes stock with the black bolt kit, and an LPR. He mentioned that he was deciding between the IR3 and the TMC Edition matrix, not just matrixes in general.

And as for the matrix being an o-ring eater, no offense, but you are highly misinformed. There are few to no problematic o-rings in a matrix, as long as you're lubing it correctly. Constantly leaking? You probably didn't size your o-ring correctly (there are several o-rings similar in size).

[Nexev]

since your defending the matrix we obviously know what your going to buy. a little bit of kick is a good thing, increases your ROF.

Matrix = trendy

Angel = proven

[darklord]

Originally posted by Nexev
since your defending the matrix we obviously know what your going to buy. a little bit of kick is a good thing, increases your ROF.

Matrix = trendy

Angel = proven

What does ROF matter if your shots aren't accurate? Less kick on the matrix means your shots have a tighter grouping.

As for the "matrix= trendy angel=proven" remark, you can think what you want. But the matrix is here to stay, and obviously if they are 'trendy' there is something good about them. People wouldn't buy them if they weren't quality markers.

If I were looking for a "proven" marker I'd go with a cocker or a mag, they've been around much longer than any angel, let alone a matrix.

And I'm not going to buy a matrix, I have bought one. I am just trying to disprove any misconceptions about the marker.

[kba5011]

Hey man I was going to buy an IR3 and I got ripped on some money. Well anyway all I could afford after that was the TMC matrix. The day I got it and brought it to teh field someone wanted to trade an IR3 with me, I was considering it since I was going to get one before the matrix. Well I shoot it and all my hopes of the valued IR3 were shoot down my matrix shoot faster and further. I was ashamed to even think of trading my gun for it. The only plus the IR3 has over the matrix is the eye and its looks. If you wana win get the matrix if you want a pimp *** looking gun get the IR3.

[paintballtommy]

the tmc matrix comes with a bolt kit and lpr so it isnt that bad on effieciency. leethal said his new bolt kit coming out soon will get 9 pods and a hopper off a 68 3k thats just over about half a case. which i think is pretty good. www.matrixowner.com ir3s are cool and all but get what you want. im slightly partial to the trix cause i have one but yeah. shoot both first then decide.

plus gen e and toxic are coming out with an eye for the trix to retail around 100 bucks. no external wires as long as you still have the dead airchamber.

[oneshot]

The matrix runs circles around the angel in overall feel, you can rip with both , easier to rip with a trix, both have cool features. shoot both and then decide,

you also might want to check out timmys, great eyes, and they rip.