Didnt Agd Patent This????

[magman007]

yea i noticed some people speaking of infringing on agd's patent, but didnt agd patent this idea? ti fore a paintball marker using magnets and a hall effect sensor? heres the link.... found it over at intimidator-owners.com any ways... discuss http://www.intimidator-owners.com/fo...=&threadid=439

[Jonno06]

you have to be a member, can u copy paste or whatever? thanx

[magman007]

yea hold on, il post the most influencial posts

[magman007]

here we go


Here is the long awaited complete magnetic trigger kit for the Bob Long Intimidator. Included in this kit is a Hall Effect magnetic sensor with accompanying wiring, the necessary amount of magnets, and a five page detailed process (with step-by-step photos and documentation) for the installation. This will also work with other markers, but the instructions and photos included are just for the Intimidator. This is a very worthwhile mod.

This kit noticeably increased my rate of fire, and I absolutely love the unique feel of it. This used in conjunction with the WAS Equalizer board is a marvel to see. The photos in the instructions are of a Classic Intimidator, but a similar method is used to install this kit in a clamshell frame. Please specify if this kit will be used in a Classic or Clamshell frame when ordering. By using the existing setscrews in the trigger, you will be able to adjust the strength of the magnetic trigger return along with how far into the trigger pull before the magnetic switch activates.

Total time of installation: <30 minutes.

This entire kit is available now at a special introductory cost of $10.

Feel free to email me with any questions at
[email protected]




Did you check to make sure you didn't step onto AGD's patent on Hall Effect Triggers? Its the one thing that kept me from selling the kit I did myself in its current form.

If you built your kit off of my information and my pictures on PBNation, then you are infringing on AGD's patent. I am currently changing my design to not infringe on their patent.









That would be from me

Check out the first posting in this thread, but I'll recap. It's a kit that has the necessary wiring, magnets (for both the clamshell and/or classic), and a detailed step-by-step procedure on how to do it. You will have to solder the three wires to the existing 14 point harness, then glue the included magnets to two of the setscrews (and one on the spring return post) and tweak! I'm still waiting on feedback on some prototype brackets, but the hall effect sensor unit screw in via the two screw holes where the stock microswitch was. The kit is still selling for only $10+shipping.

[email protected]




You still haven't answered CounterMeasure, i HIGHLY suggest u look into infringin on AGD's patents. and since you seem to ignore the issue of infringin on AGD's patents, it seems that you are irresponsible to yourself and others who will purchase the kit from you.





for waht he's selling it for, i highly doubt that AGD even cares or has heard of it. Plus the fact that AGD doesn't make a damn thing for anything other than automags. Why can't he produce a simple hall effect sensor for a timmy, which he's really not making money on (maybe $2-3 per set) and if he sells 100 sets, he has probably sold all he will and only made $300 tops. It's not the end of the world and it's not something that AGD would even bother with. With all they have on their plate right now, i think you'd have to flat out copy one of their products to get them to come after you.
What about the Zgrip? That's theirs, it's patented, people still make them for OTHER GUNS. And when i say people, i mean NOT AGD. They aren't getting sued. AGD doesn't want to make them becuase it's not a feasible project for them between cost, repairs, etc. All in all, I think the way Tom would look at it as flattery, someone likes his idea enough that he's trying to bring it to timmy users(and not get rich off of it).




and the last post by me


first off, z grip is pattented, agd just licences its right out to other users. any thing ahead of a 90* grip, is pattented by agd, and its a strong pattent, with little to no previous art to show the idea. I havnt seen any hand gun made with a z grip have you? nor any rifle, there fore agd holds the patent for the z.


Also, i think tom would be angry about this, and i let him know over on AO. it is stepping on his idea, and one of the main selling points of his marker. Personally, i think, if you want that trigger, why not go get an e-mag? i mean thats how it should be.

[Vendetta]

I'm not a lawyer, but I do have some experience with patents and copywrites. It is my understanding that if you have one, and do not try to enforce it, you can lose it.

[cledford]

Jim Drew at one point decided he was going to produce a HES based trigger system for the Timmy. This was in fact his first run in with the AO army. He claimed (even tho at the time the Emag had been out for over a year) that he had no idea that Tom had been the first to use a HES for a trigger system - he actually tried to take credit as the first guy to try bring the HES to paintball. I came here to ask if AGD had patented it and seem to recall that they had not - I COULD BE WRONG. Jim stopped his production for certain (although I'd bet if he got wind of this post he'd imediately state that he still plans of producing it - it's just on the back burner - like the corksrew, hee-hee...) Anyhow, maybe he stopped because AGD does have a patent - but I doubt it. I've looked at the AGD patents and don't remember seeing one for a HES based trigger. FWIW, the Impulse and Eblade have magnet based triggers - I'm not sure if they use a HES. Also FWIW, the navy did patent a HES based trigger system back in like the '60s or '70s - although not for PB guns

-Calvin

[steveg]

England mid 30's

[steveg]

A Hall effect sensor is just a switch, good for Tom
for figuring out that it would make a good trigger switch
for a paintball marker BUT it's still just a switch
you might as well try to patent the use of o-rings in a
marker

[raehl]

Copyrights, Trademarks and Patents

You can lose rights to a TRADEMARK if you fail to enforce it. Copyrighs and patents are yours for the duration regardless.

- Chris

[Vendetta]

Thanks for the info.

[cphilip]

Originally posted by steveg
A Hall effect sensor is just a switch, good for Tom
for figuring out that it would make a good trigger switch
for a paintball marker BUT it's still just a switch
you might as well try to patent the use of o-rings in a
marker

And so is the Break beam switch in the BE revy but they managed to patent that...

[steveg]

First I wonder how long that patent would last if someone
actually challenged it

Second the electric trigger allready exists and has any number of switches in use,
of which a HES is just one of
(unlike the revy which was a whole new idea and concept)

Third and most important does AGD even have a patent

[Muzikman]

And so is the idea of an LCD display screen in the grip frame, but some how WDP got the patent on that

[steveg]

my hyperframe has an LCD

[Muzikman]

http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=4&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PG01&s1=LCD&s2=Paintball&OS=LCD+AND+Paintball&RS=LCD+AND+Paintball