Test:: X-Mag vs Angel Speed

[Cyberious]

No, no leaks yet.

<<< that's dirty. To have those two guns backed up to each other>>>>

Yeah, I know Angels shouldn't be allowed that close to an X-Mag. It may get Angel Cooties.

[WARPED1]

Originally posted by ~WarpedRT#2~
It IS totally useless. These guns aren't (and I dont care who flames me) rec markers. In a tournament setting, full auto has no place, and neither does half of the other useless features an Angel has. Semi is the only thing you need.

Who really cares what a guns max rate of fire is, when you can never reach it. Why don't you just say, that the gun will fire as fast as you can pull the trigger, and beyond? It makes alot more sence.

Also, full auto on alot of guns isnt as fast as some people can pull, so it isnt as accurate as you think.

Man that Speed does look nice though. Too bad to hear the System X cocker is gone, but I know you will keep the Cole.

Ditto, people like manufacturers should be the only ones with fa. 99% of fields will not allow any mode other than semi. No turbo, no burst, semi only. Therefore a waste. A consumer(us) do not need to check things like mrof and recharge rates and stuff. We only need the gun to shoot at what we aim at. One pull=one ball fired! And that's all I have to say about that.........

[Jack & Coke]

There's a difference between:

"...there's no need..."

and

"...it's useless..."

I'm not arguing if there's a need to use it in a tournament.

You are incorrect in saying it's "useless". It may be your myopic opinion, but you are still wrong.

For diagnostics, performance research, and benchmarking, it is very useful.

"Who cares?"

The same people who have the curiousity that engineer and push race cars faster and faster for those who drive them.

race car engineer vs. race car driver

Someone will always care.

You just have to be intelligent enough to realize it's uses...

[WARPED1]

Originally posted by Jack & Coke
There's a difference between:

"...there's no need..."

and

"...it's useless..."

I'm not arguing if there's a need to use it in a tournament.

You are incorrect in saying it's "useless". It may be your myopic opinion, but you are still wrong.

For diagnostics, performance research, and benchmarking, it is very useful.

"Who cares?"

The same people who have the curiousity that engineer and push race cars faster and faster for those who drive them.

race car engineer vs. race car driver

Someone will always care.

You just have to be intelligent enough to realize it's uses...

The average consumer(us) do not need diagnostic and benchmark stuff, we only need it to fire where we point it! Leave the tests and crap to the manufacturers. They should spend that r+d money they spend on fa stuff and r+d a perfectly round pb or something. Something the average consumer(us) can actually use on a regular basis.

[Jack & Coke]

your statement "...it's useless..." only pertains to certain playing conditions.

This is not the arguement.

...slow down and try to comprehend what I said:

There's a difference between:

"...there's no need..."

and

"...it's useless..."

I'm done trying to explain it to you.

If you wish to discuss this more, start a new thread "FA IS USELESS" or just PM me.

Let's give Cyberious back his thread: "X-Mag vs Angel Speed"

[Frank (the spank)]

Thank you Cyberious!

I asked.. and got a review of the two side by side. Ya rule man, great job!

[~WarpedRT#2~]

Cyberious wont mind if I steal his thread for just one more note.

You see, the people who buy things (consumers) dont ever push anything harder (like cars, or guns for that matter) because thats the manufacturers job. You will never see ANYONE driving down the road with a totally custom body kit on their car that THEY THEMSELVES made. The manufacurer makes them, and sells them. Hence the reason race car drivers are paid to DRIVE and mechanics are paid to FIX. None of these people actually make their own parts, thats why they6 trust the manufacturer to give them the parts. (thats called sponsors). Everything that people use to "push" their equipment faster is made by an experienced set of people. A company.

In reality, there really is no need for full auto. But if you TRUST the maker of the gun, then it should be useless. Right?

And thanks Jack & Coke, I'm not stupid. Although you on the other hand...

[Frank (the spank)]

Is there a use for FA? Yeah! For fun!

A simple jumper to disable it and when ya wanna have fun in the backyard spelling out things in paint.. go full auto. Also a good way to test your gun out, as far as feeding etc.

Anyways.. it brings a smile to my face to know the X-Mag still has the edge in speed. Yesterday at the fild one guy said "damn everyones shooting those speeds" and my buddy that has a speed goes "thats because they're the best" and the two Speeds on the field had problems and they had to call themselves out. The owner and ref said my e-mag was the fastest gun on the field as well.

Hey.. it's not that important, it's just nice to know I am not limited by my gear.. which pushes me to become a better player.

It amazes me no one else shoots E/X-Mags...

[~WarpedRT#2~]

I shoot an E-Mag. A real nice one too.

[minimag187]

Dont forget the speed is about $450 cheaper, or $350 depending if it is faded or not. I would rather have an xmag myself too, just passing that by.

[Cyberious]

Originally posted by Frank (the spank)
Thank you Cyberious!

I asked.. and got a review of the two side by side. Ya rule man, great job!

Glad I could help. I do have to say the Speed is more efficient on air...alot more efficient. I still like my X-Mag better though.

[Jerhew]

Originally posted by ~WarpedRT#2~
Cyberious wont mind if I steal his thread for just one more note.

You see, the people who buy things (consumers) dont ever push anything harder (like cars, or guns for that matter) because thats the manufacturers job. You will never see ANYONE driving down the road with a totally custom body kit on their car that THEY THEMSELVES made. The manufacurer makes them, and sells them. Hence the reason race car drivers are paid to DRIVE and mechanics are paid to FIX. None of these people actually make their own parts, thats why they6 trust the manufacturer to give them the parts. (thats called sponsors). Everything that people use to "push" their equipment faster is made by an experienced set of people. A company.

In reality, there really is no need for full auto. But if you TRUST the maker of the gun, then it should be useless. Right?

And thanks Jack & Coke, I'm not stupid. Although you on the other hand...

ok i hate to be that guy and go off topic again but when i read this i felt compelled to correct this flawed logic...
although this may be your opinion as to how consumers work...it's not everyone's opinion...
basically what you're saying is don't ask questions, trust the manufacturers...we can't possibly improve on what they do...
do you think this is the type of thinking that contributes to or diminishes innovation?
do you think this is how the Wright brothers thought? or Henry Ford? or Tom Kaye for that matter...
I for one am glad we didn't just leave things up to Brass Eagle
now I'm not claiming that anyone on here is a Henry Ford but I'm just saying think before you speak

and by the way J&C(although he doesnt need my defense) from the posts of his i've read, seems to be a rather intelligent guy...questioning that is just pety don't you think?

sorry Cyberious
back to you

[mag-hatter]

i dont get why people say "that gun is faster than this gun" when they are both extremely high end guns that are both capable of 30+bps, and in simi auto. no human can do 30bps simi auto.

[nippinout]

When does the Angel SPEED kick in the varying dwell times?

Is there a way to disable the varying dwell so it is constant no matter what the bps or time between shots is?

Can the user change these settings? Even with it locked out to the player, changing stock parts would affect the velocity.

[~WarpedRT#2~]

Jerhew, when did I say not to ask questions? It's easy to pretend I said things I didn't, but one thing I never said was, to not ask questoins. You should question everything. Religion, cars, and paintball. But what I'm saying is, you should trust the maker of the gun. I did, in no way say, "go buy blindly" did I? We all here question our gear, especially our marker. Thats why we have forums, to help each other. We can ask questions, and even ask the maker of the gun whats up. The point is to do your homework, see if something is right for you and ask questions. And without Brass Eagle, paintball would probably die. More people get their first gun through them at Wal-Mart, than anywhere else.

Also, if you hadnt read his post, the only reason I insinuated he was stupid, was because he did so to me. It's a 1 for 1. Just because I see the world differently than you doesnt mean I have a flawed view. I've got nothing against Jack & Coke, we just see things differently.

Maybe you should read before you post.