Test:: X-Mag vs Angel Speed

[Jerhew]

i've read every last word in this thread and that is still my opinion on things

and by the way, as far as the brass eagle comment i made, my point was simply that i'm glad they aren't the only company in paintball, i'm very grateful that Tom Kaye decided he could "do it better" so to speak and started AGD

and btw i used the word flawed on purpose because you insinuated(good word by the way) that J&C's opinions are flawed... do you see what i'm getting at?

i guess i don't think you get my point but instead of going any further, i'm going to leave it alone

out of respect for the thread topic and Cyberious this will be my last post about this.

if you absolutely feel it's necessary to continue this, pm me... i'm sure no one else wants to see our debate

[Evil Bob]

Yes, Jack has a tendency to jump onto the "you're an idiot" band wagon in the threads and start with the personal insults when you question his opinion, and he usually is the one to start throwing the mud first. He is also usually very thorough with his testing and generally backs it up with sound clips, pictures, and movies to show the results, all in all, he is a great contributor here at AO.

That aside, Jack does have a valid point here, there is a need for third party testing independant of the manufacturers to test out their claims vs marketing hype and misinformation.

Companies such as Consumer Reports do third party testing of products for the specific debunking of hype and marketing myth that companies can spew to try to entice you to buy their product over their competitors, that's business. They also show how a given manufacturer's product compares to other similar products in the field. They test the very same products you and I can purchase off the shelf and not the special "for reviewers eyes only" supped up versions that will skew the test results.

Granted, FA is generally not usable for players "playing" paintball due to legal stipulations (being outlawed at 99% of the fields out there), but it does have applications elsewhere off of the field of play. It can actually be alot of fun to blow through a bunch of paint, write your name on the wall so to speak, or as Jack has put forth here, test the physical limitations of your marker to see how fast it really can fire.

-Evil Bob

[gibby]

I believe the USE of FA on the field is never needed. However, knowing the capabilities of your equipment is also important in knowing your marker, and what it can and can't do.

It's just like buying a computer...a lot of people spend thousands of dollars buying the best stuff...for what? Web browsing and email? (However, gamers do use the full potential of their gaming rigs.) But in this case, web browsing and email hardly pushes what their new computer can do...yet, they still want to know what's inside(CPU, memory, hard drive speed, video card, etc.) because they want to be sure they are getting the best deal for what they are paying for.

I guess depending on the kind of information you get, most of the time, information is useful in many respects.

[Evil Bob]

Excellant example there gibby!

What high end equipment allows us to do is play at our best with only ourselves as the limitating factor, not the hardware we are using.

Playing with low end gear is akin to handicapping in bowling or golf, you're imposing artificial limits on how well you can perform on top of your physical limitations.

The pro with the 1 BPS 12g CO2 PGP pump is not going to dominate in speedball unless everyone else is using similar equipment, at which point the person with the skills will usually win. Give them a spyder that can keep up with 10bps and they'll start to feel better about their game. Give them their favorite top end marker and they'll be right at home with playing at their best. Once you level out the field technologywise, it boils down to skills, execution, and a good deal of luck, that win the games.

Half of your confidence at that level comes from knowing your hardware well (how it shoots and performs) and that it can keep up with the demands you place upon it. The other half comes from knowing that you have the skills necessary and you can beat the other person at the other end of the field.

-Evil Bob

[~WarpedRT#2~]

Well Bob, I have to say, while I don't agree with your point of view, I thank you for replying in a way that didn't involve an insult. While you havent changed my view, you have instilled in me that at least one person can disagree in a polite manner. Thankyou.

But we really should give this thread back to Cyberious. As a matter of fact, I have a question for him. Did the position of the trigger (looks a bit strange) have anything to do with your rate of fire? I notice on the Speed, the top of the trigger is a bit far forward. I was thinking that might somehow slow down pulling the trigger.

[JEDI]

Originally posted by ~WarpedRT#2~
Cyberious wont mind if I steal his thread for just one more note.

You see, the people who buy things (consumers) dont ever push anything harder (like cars, or guns for that matter) because thats the manufacturers job.

I'd like to state a contrary opinion, not neseccarily an arguement. I for one push every peice of performance equipment I own. Things are designed with more than the average ask nothing consumer in mind. I paid $25,000 for my truck. Sometimes I treat it like a rented mule. Because thats what it was built for. The people that get the most use out of thier equipment, are the people that push their stuff harder. I'd rather have something break from good use, than to never really use it to its fullest potential. Sure I push the things I buy.
I also agree that the FA option has no place on the Speed. It was built with another intention in mind - Mowing suckas down. No nonsence performance (the reason Emags never came with FA) But non-the less, FA is very useful.

[Cyberious]

My cat licks himself in really wierd places... I figured if we were going to continue to be Off Topic I should post something off topic too. :-)

[JEDI]

Sorry 'bout that. Question for you. Which marker would be easier to keep up a sustained high rate of fire. Could you unload an entire hopper at relatively the same speed all the way through with either gun?

[Cyberious]

The X-Mag. Since the Speed has a spring up there it is a little stiffer to pull. I have finally been able to get up to similar ROF on the Speed though but it does take a little extra effort. I'm going to try and do a torture test this weekend. (This entails running 3000 paintballs through as fast as I can only stopping to get more air). I'll do it side by side and record the number of breaks if you are all interested.

[No sKiLLz]

Where did all you lucky schmucks get X-mags?!!! J/K My friend is still waiting for his and I can't wait to take it through the paces. A guy I played with two weeks ago had a speed and even though it was pretty fast (and LOUD) it was cutting paint like a teppan (<---is that spelled right) chef at Benihanas. I thought the gratuitous "Love Meter" on the grip was a little erroneous, but it dazzled the twelve year olds and ugly fat chicks that work at the field. Did your speed have problems busting its balls?

[Cyberious]

Originally posted by No sKiLLz
Did your speed have problems busting its balls?

In the limited use it got no, but I do intend to put it through a torture test this weekend. I'll let you know.

Originally posted by No sKiLLz
Where did all you lucky schmucks get X-mags?!!!

X-Mags are in large supply on my planet of Love-Tron. But of course that is several light years away and many years in the future. You can get there though by reading the works of Steven Hawking extensively and then only after you have a complete understanding of the concept of Anti-Time as it relates to Space and Time and how they react at the Event Horizon of a Singularity near the Galactic Core. Oh yeah and a large amount of money doesn't hurt either.

[No sKiLLz]

Theoretically do you think that we can create a wormhole to that planet by getting Tom some classy hookers and a bottle of Jack?

[Cyberious]

I'm guessing not. The X-Mag is too precious a commodity to trade for just anything.

[Cyberious]

Well, over the weekend I did my further test on the Speed. A weekend ago or two ago I ran 3000 paintballs through my X-Mag without a break in three games.

So this past weekend I put the Speed thru a similar test only not in a game. I have to admit I was under impressed. I averaged 4 breaks every 1000 paintballs. I tried changing the COPS to each of the four settings after a break and the subsequent cleaning and it still didn't help. I would have understood if it chopped only when I let the hopper get empty but it broke a few times on a nearly full hopper. Of course the breaks occured during long (constant)firing strings of approximately 11-12bps. The Speed is a good marker and will do fine as a backup but only that. Although maybe a Y-Board EVO might help. I'll have to get one and try it out.

[Bolter]

two things. The X-mag (well mine anyway) doesn't break balls in the gun. I have played for 3 months now without a smeg in the breach.

The Speed may as well be a Kenwood Blender.

Not that I'm biased!