v3.0 Software info?

[Jack & Coke]

kev,

If that logic is true, then why would AGD cap the XMAG at 24 instead of 16 if they were so concerned about insurance costs?

Since the XMAG is capped at 24, is AGD now having to pay that extra addition insurance cost?

If AGD was really "concerned" about safety / insurance don't you think that with their "high standard" of integrity, they would have set the cap at 10-13 bps? The original self-imposed industry limit...

Since the current cap on the EMAG is 16 and XMAG at 24, has AGD lost it's integrity and concern for "safety"?

If safety (overshooting) was really a concern of AGD, why not cap it at something much safer like 5 bps?

I think the original reason for the ROF CAP was related to the EMAG's performance (i.e. pre-level 10 chopping), not because of additional insurance costs.

[Cryer]

Originally posted by Jack & Coke
I think the original reason for the ROF CAP was related to the EMAG's performance (i.e. pre-level 10 chopping), not because of additional insurance costs.

If that's the case, (and I'm not necessarily disputing you, JC) why hasn't the cap been romoved/raised since the release of the level 10?

[Jack & Coke]

Probably a combination of current board orders, current boards in stock, production costs associated with design changes and time and staff.

AGD has shown that for the advanced engineering and multiple design concepts they continually amaze us with, they are too slow and too small of a company when it comes to immediate implementation and product production.

Just because you haven't seen it, doesn't mean they haven't thought about it or already designed it...

[Kevmaster]

few tihngs...and agian, i dont have knowledge of inner workings at AGD...it may be that when they were doing the 1.37 software they just did 16...now they figured, what the heck, do 20-24...who knows..not like any of us will ever use 24bps

anyways, there are tons of statistics about little jimmys getting hurt and suing pb companies. One company in particular allocats 4M per YEAR to lawsuit settlements.

as for that "industry imposed" limit of 13bps and semi-only boards...that went out the window as soon as the industry broke up from their meeting at the '99 IAO...only one company actually did anything about that "agreement" promptly.

[hitech]

Originally posted by Kevmaster
As for that "industry imposed" limit of 13bps and semi-only boards...only one company actually did anything about that "agreement" promptly.

What company are you refering to? I only ask as the Hyperframe was capped at 13bps for a long time.

[GT]

Originally posted by Kevmaster
anyways, there are tons of statistics about little jimmys getting hurt and suing pb companies. One company in particular allocats 4M per YEAR to lawsuit settlements.

4m per year thats it and what company? Again I dont see little Jimmy's suing the hell out of the industry over BPS limits. Could you see closing arguments?

"well if jimmy had only been shot with 16 bps instead of 20 bps maybe his eye would have been saved."

I think this is an issue that Jack has already hit fairly well. Maybe it was a retro fit, kind of what we can do at the time. since then we have seen many cool things happen to the physical design of the valve

[Dayspring]

As I said earlier, they can set the ROF cap at whatever, but the level 10 system tops out around 20-22bps.

They could set it at 69 or whatever, but you'll only be able to have the gun consistently shoot around 20-22bps.

(Remember that first part of the stroke is slow. That's hat give the anti-chopage.)

[GT]

Originally posted by Dayspring
As I said earlier, they can set the ROF cap at whatever, but the level 10 system tops out around 20-22bps.

They could set it at 69 or whatever, but you'll only be able to have the gun consistently shoot around 20-22bps.

(Remember that first part of the stroke is slow. That's hat give the anti-chopage.)

Interesting,
All these folks have been beating there chest about faster cycle due to lvlx being lighter.

so lvl 7 is faster hmm......

[Cryer]

Originally posted by Dayspring
As I said earlier, they can set the ROF cap at whatever, but the level 10 system tops out around 20-22bps.

They could set it at 69 or whatever, but you'll only be able to have the gun consistently shoot around 20-22bps.

(Remember that first part of the stroke is slow. That's hat give the anti-chopage.)

Didn't Jack & Coke get his mag (w/ X-valve & LX) up to 33 CPS? I don't think the level 10 slows it down that much, anyways. It is slower in the first 1/4 inch or so of the stroke, but that can't have that great of an effect on overall CPS.

[WarBUCKs]

I say we settle this the Navy way. First man to die loses.

[c sherer]

one more "hmmm...."

so if you have an Xmag that has a fully-functioning eye, take out the levelX, put in the old standard foamie bolt and viola! you get the air efficiency back plus the physical mechanical ability for the gun to cycle paint faster?

I'm intrigued by this, even though I now rely heavily on the levelX bolt, but with the eye in my Xmag... I wonder...

Has anyone actually tried this? I assume the gun would still function just fine (i.e. older emag users BEFORE the LX was introduced)

Of course, it's likely a moot point until/unless the cap is removed, but you'd gain that air efficiency back if nothing else.

CoSh

[Jack & Coke]

Correct... the L10 bolt can cycle at 33+

Whether you can reliably feed the breech that fast is another thing.

At 30+ speed the margin for error becomes very, very, very, small.

You have to have almost perfect flawless feeding.

[GT]

Originally posted by c sherer
one more "hmmm...."

you get the air efficiency back CoSh

I thought the diff was only about 9-12 percent if that? I had read a few threads that guys were still getting around 1.1k shots per 68ci/4.5k fill.

jb

[pito189]

Originally posted by gtrsi
I thought the diff was only about 9-12 percent if that? I had read a few threads that guys were still getting around 1.1k shots per 68ci/4.5k fill.

jb

You are correct about the difference, TK said in one of his posts that it is very very small. He did say they were trying to improve overall effciency though.

I believe the last time I checked I could get a hopper and 8 tubes out of my 68/4500 with my LX E-Mag, freak, Max Flow combination. I run the input pressure at 650 psi.