***banned from our field***

[cphilip]

Caleb was an agent of the field. In fact he stoped the game to take the shield away from the kid and acted as an agent in directing the kid in what to do. Your description now mine. He was no longer acting as a player in the game at that point. And even a Owner that might playing does not relieve himself of his liability for HIS actions or his repsonsibilities as the owner. Same goes for an Employee.

My kid or not he would not be Reffing for me any longer. He should have stopped the game and called the cops! Period. You woulda had this little screwball by the nutz if you had of done that.

[MarineRDNC]

well either way the kid isnt going to sue, if he was he would have done it already. it happened going on 3 weeks now this coming sunday. and even so, when we did call the cops and they came and we all told them the story, both cops that I and Caleb talked to said that the actions that we took were perfectly legal and that if the kid did sue, he would have no case.

I still know alot of you don't agree with me and with the actions that we did take, but if you would have been there and actually had seen what went on you would understand.

[cphilip]

Oh I understand. I too would have been tempted to light him up. I don't think anyone doesn't understand your emotions. But I was trying to make a point for next time. Trust me I have done the wrong thing before and so I am not trying to preach at you. Just trying to give you my perspective of how you might do "better" next time. Acting on emotions often lead to mistakes making your position vulnerable. And so its best to let the offender keep all the blame rather than have to share it. The only way to do that is to remain cool and collected and make him pay the REAL hard way. I know I woulda felt better for a minute after I shot the little creap but I woulda felt even better seeing him in court on an Assault charge in some serious trouble. And all the while not having to worry in the least about even the chance of being successfully sued. That would have been better is all I was saying.

[shartley]

Originally posted by MarineRDNC
Okay first off you guys... the kid and his dad arent pissed because Caleb shot him after he shot Caleb... he's mad because I bunkered him and the baby got a welt, then he got banned. If he wouldn't have gotten banned, the little baby would never have came back and threatened to sue!

And Caleb (the one that turned and shot him) wasnt reffing that game... as I stated before he was playing the game along with me on my team. And I believe Caleb did still have the right to shoot him as Caleb was still in the game... he was never shot out. Unless you wanna count this douche shooting him in the back after he told him to get off the field.

And for those of you who said this... why in the hell would we fire Caleb, when his parents own the freaking company? You guys are about retarded... we told the kid to leave, he wouldnt, he lit caleb up after being asked to leave the game... caleb shot him, i bunkered him, he shot me in the back, i turned and shot him, he threatened to shoot me again, I told him to "do it" he walked off the field left game over and the end of the day, 30 minutes later, daddy comes threatening to sue because he got a welt from me bunkering him. END OF STORY

[MarineRDNC]

I know completely what you mean cphilip, i think Caleb would have been smarter not to shoot him back but he is only 13 yrs old right now and Caleb isnt always the quickest to think if you know what I mean.

On a similar note, I was telling this story to my girlfriends uncle who used to play alot in tourneys and such too, and he said one time a guy at their field was being a turd burglar like this kid, and he got lit up. And he didnt' like it so the guy went and pulled a pistol on everyone and threatened to kill everyone that shot him... That was the last day her uncle played because he got too afraid of getting shot over a simple sport like paintball

[MarineRDNC]

Okay shartley i don't remember anyone asking you to come in my thread and be a dick about this like that kid! If you have an opinion, state it, but don't get an attitude like you were there and this happened to you.

And for your information yes I am a field employee so don't give me your crap about what "power" i have.

And we had 1 ref during that game, but he was dealing with a situation on the other side of the field and didn't see what was going on.

You tell me MR. tough guy... if you were playing at a field that your parents owned, you were playing in a game, and u saw a kid run onto the field with a shield that belonged to the refs... your telling me you would just sit there and let him keep playing with it? The kid would should have been out anyways as he was using the shield for protection as the rules of paintball states that if anything you are holding onto or touching except for a bunker gets shot during game play you are out! That includes ur gun, mask, urself, harness, empty pods sitting on ur lap... or in this case A SHIELD THAT SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE! And as an employee the kid should have left the field the first time when asked to leave, no questions asked!

and as a player Caleb still does have the authority to tell someone to leave. You are such a retard dude, because look at what u said this way... Say you are the owner of a field and you're playing a game with your customers. One of the players does something very illegal and wrong.. you're saying the owner has no right to tell him to leave when he owns the field/property/company etc.? Well you're about retarded and need to go rethink what u just said.

[cphilip]

OK lets cool down the name calling. Thats flaming.

[MarineRDNC]

sorry he's just getting my tempers flaring

[shartley]

Originally posted by MarineRDNC
Okay shartley i don't remember anyone asking you to come in my thread and be a dick about this like that kid! If you have an opinion, state it, but don't get an attitude like you were there and this happened to you.

And for your information yes I am a field employee so don't give me your crap about what "power" i have.

And we had 1 ref during that game, but he was dealing with a situation on the other side of the field and didn't see what was going on.

You tell me MR. tough guy... if you were playing at a field that your parents owned, you were playing in a game, and u saw a kid run onto the field with a shield that belonged to the refs... your telling me you would just sit there and let him keep playing with it? The kid would should have been out anyways as he was using the shield for protection as the rules of paintball states that if anything you are holding onto or touching except for a bunker gets shot during game play you are out! That includes ur gun, mask, urself, harness, empty pods sitting on ur lap... or in this case A SHIELD THAT SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE! And as an employee the kid should have left the field the first time when asked to leave, no questions asked!

and as a player Caleb still does have the authority to tell someone to leave. You are such a retard dude, because look at what u said this way... Say you are the owner of a field and you're playing a game with your customers. One of the players does something very illegal and wrong.. you're saying the owner has no right to tell him to leave when he owns the field/property/company etc.? Well you're about retarded and need to go rethink what u just said.

[cphilip]

Originally posted by MarineRDNC
sorry he's just getting my tempers flaring

And didn't we just discuss why thats a good time to move away, cool down for a while and not get caught up in reacting out of anger?

[cphilip]

Sam please try and not talk down to the kid. It's insulting. I know I come across that way sometimes too. But I try my best not to. Please help me here and do the same?

[MarineRDNC]

Originally posted by cphilip
Sam please try and not talk down to the kid. It's insulting. I know I come across that way sometimes too. But I try my best not to. Please help me here and do the same?

this thread is obviously just getting the worst of everybody so if you could, would you just mind deleting the thread for me so more words dont get thrown about here? Thanks

[shartley]

Originally posted by cphilip
Sam please try and not talk down to the kid. It's insulting. I know I come across that way sometimes too. But I try my best not to. Please help me here and do the same?

I am sorry if I came across as talking down. Let me apologize for that..... I apologize. I hope he does not think you are being condescending by calling him a kid though.

I was only trying to ask him questions about what he actually posted. I guess I hit a nerve being too close. I am sorry.

[cphilip]

Originally posted by shartley
I hope he does not think you are being condescending by calling him a kid though.

Yep your right. See there I go again doing it too!

See when I type that term "kid" I am thinking in my mind that I consider all of these guys "my kids". So I mean it as a term of endearment realy. And I just do not think sometimes it comes across that other way. Sorry if it does. But yep I said before and will say again. I am guilty of it too.

[MarineRDNC]

its alright u can call me a kid... i am only 16. And shartley, sorry for calling you a dick and retarded and whatever else I said. You just got my tempers flaring and I'm not really feeling great in the first place due to radiation and chemo therapy.