***banned from our field***

[shartley]

Originally posted by cphilip


Yep your right. See there I go again doing it too!

See when I type that term "kid" I am thinking in my mind that I consider all of these guys "my kids". So I mean it as a term of endearment realy. And I just do not think sometimes it comes across that other way. Sorry if it does. But yep I said before and will say again. I am guilty of it too.

[shartley]

Originally posted by MarineRDNC
its alright u can call me a kid... i am only 16. And shartley, sorry for calling you a dick and retarded and whatever else I said. You just got my tempers flaring and I'm not really feeling great in the first place due to radiation and chemo therapy.

I hope you feel better. I am well aware of the chemo therapy and radiation process. I hope everything turns out okay and you feel better soon.

[cphilip]

Yep its hard sometimes to put it in a way it does not send unintended thoughts. I agree.


Sorry your not feeling well Marine. Hope things are getting better for you.

[FatMan]

Jeez, you guys can be such asses! Phil has played several times in a situation without a ref and would very quickly be ready to speak to a player who was out of line. I'm glad you guys like everything to be so sparkly clean, but in the real world people go out and play - sometimes without a ref, sometimes with an owner or other authority playing in the game. And if someone does something stupid like that kid did, goes over and addresses the situation. There's nothing ILLEGAL about that! Sure shooting back is not a good idea - its childish at best, but illegal - bullfeathers!

Shartley why have you got to go a run your mouth (er, fingers?) every time a thread opens? You didn't even READ the guy's post! It took someone pointing out what was obviously stated that the guy was IN THE GAME. But NO, you have just got to jump in there and redirect the whole damn thread in YOUR direction. I mean, yes, what the kid did was not the right thing to do, it made sense to point that out but NO! FIRE the guy! ILLEGAL! AGENT of the establishment! You just have to blow it all out of proportion and argue the nitpicks until any semblence of the original thread is gone.

Jeez!

I feel better now!

FatMan

[shartley]

Originally posted by FatMan
Jeez, you guys can be such asses! Phil has played several times in a situation without a ref and would very quickly be ready to speak to a player who was out of line. I'm glad you guys like everything to be so sparkly clean, but in the real world people go out and play - sometimes without a ref, sometimes with an owner or other authority playing in the game. And if someone does something stupid like that kid did, goes over and addresses the situation. There's nothing ILLEGAL about that! Sure shooting back is not a good idea - its childish at best, but illegal - bullfeathers!

Shartley why have you got to go a run your mouth (er, fingers?) every time a thread opens? You didn't even READ the guy's post! It took someone pointing out what was obviously stated that the guy was IN THE GAME. But NO, you have just got to jump in there and redirect the whole damn thread in YOUR direction. I mean, yes, what the kid did was not the right thing to do, it made sense to point that out but NO! FIRE the guy! ILLEGAL! AGENT of the establishment! You just have to blow it all out of proportion and argue the nitpicks until any semblence of the original thread is gone.

Jeez!

I feel better now!

FatMan

[Lohman446]

[i]
On a similar note, I was telling this story to my girlfriends uncle who used to play alot in tourneys and such too, and he said one time a guy at their field was being a turd burglar like this kid, and he got lit up. And he didnt' like it so the guy went and pulled a pistol on everyone and threatened to kill everyone that shot him... That was the last day her uncle played because he got too afraid of getting shot over a simple sport like paintball [/B]

Interesting... this is why they make what is called a CCW in Michigan, authorizing one to carry a concealed pistol. I don't carry mine on the paintball field, way too physical of a sport for me to think that safe. On my field I know of at least two people who have a CCW and some that carry (a very secured concealed) pistol nearly everywhere they go who beleive they can do it safely. First person who draws a weapon and threatens is going to have a problem.

As far as liability - who cares, this is why in business you carry very very expensive liability insurance - behind articles of corporation that keep employees under a corporation that holds very little in the way of assets (thus not a liability suit target). A waiver just makes you get a better lawyer to get past it and keeps the common person from sueing you - most lawyers realize that all but a few waivers are a joke.

[dave_p]

ok, i didnt read every reply in this post.also i am not a particularly opinionated member of this forum and tend to stay clear of this kind of thing.
that being said:

markers should never have been fired in anger with malicious intent by anyone period ever. it borders assault.
this is the kind of thing that is ruining this sport. i dont see how that is debatable.

[Lohman446]

I have to agree with Dave P - if you have a problem put your marker down - if you have to settle a problem physically, fine, face the lawsuit/criminal justice system that way. But quit making potential headlines of our sport.

[Recon by Fire]

Originally posted by raehl
Lawsuit->Jury.
Jury->variable.
Variable->settlement.

Don't you mean:

Lawsuit = settlement

Jury = BIG monetary judgement


I hate settlements! Even when you know you can beat a case they will often settle to save on the cost of fighting the suit because it ends up cheaper.

[Albinonewt]

Originally posted by dave_p
markers should never have been fired in anger with malicious intent by anyone period ever. it borders assault.
this is the kind of thing that is ruining this sport. i dont see how that is debatable.

Truer words have not been spoken...

[Albinonewt]

Originally posted by FatMan
Shartley why have you got to go a run your mouth (er, fingers?) every time a thread opens? You didn't even READ the guy's post! It took someone pointing out what was obviously stated that the guy was IN THE GAME. But NO, you have just got to jump in there and redirect the whole damn thread in YOUR direction. I mean, yes, what the kid did was not the right thing to do, it made sense to point that out but NO! FIRE the guy! ILLEGAL! AGENT of the establishment! You just have to blow it all out of proportion and argue the nitpicks until any semblence of the original thread is gone.

With the possible exception of Dave's comments, Truer words have not been spoken (sorry, I say that alot, ya'll are gonna start getting used to it)

[Lohman446]

I have been flat out told by my liability company that if I shoot someone (not paintball marker) and it is justifiable self defense - no matter how clear cut it is - they will settle with that persons estate for any sum up to $130,000 - that is the number they have calculated the risk to not be worth it. And every civil attorney knows that, thats what they ask for, thats what they get. I know this ahead of time - even if I have no civil liability. Now that's just sad.

[FatMan]

Originally posted by Lohman446
I have been flat out told by my liability company that if I shoot someone (not paintball marker) and it is justifiable self defense - no matter how clear cut it is - they will settle with that persons estate for any sum up to $130,000 - that is the number they have calculated the risk to not be worth it. And every civil attorney knows that, thats what they ask for, thats what they get. I know this ahead of time - even if I have no civil liability. Now that's just sad.

Yes sad - and why is that? Because if you put the matter to a jury, no matter how "clear cut", no matter your expert testimony, no matter how good your argument, juries can, and do find against you a certain non-insignificant part of the time. Sit on a few juries yourself and you'll see. It is really, really scary that people have to put their lives into the hands of a jury.

Thus, you never, ever, want to do that for something like a shooting, let alone a fatal shooting. You start out the trial with a great big minus sign (don't let ANYONE tell you this innocent until proven guilty crap - your average juror will have an initial tendecy to be against you if you shoot and kill someone, no matter the reason).

Thus, anyone who shoots someone unless it is really, really the last resort, has his head firmly planted in his ***!

FatMan

[Xyxyll]

Woah! Woah! Guys... shartley was basically explaining what should have happened, what shouldn't, what could happen, and what should not happen in the future. I don't see anything inappropriate with what he is saying.

MarineRDNC, dude man... he's only trying to help. Chill. (Also sorry to hear about your cancer... )

[eric]

marine, whats your name?