Emag- Good tourney gun?

[MiniMag84]

Not that it will stop me from buying an Emag but that sucks. Is AGD doind anything to help solve the problem?

[Kevmaster]

of the debounce?

if the Mag is set properly, it will not have a problem. its when people do their own trigger job that problems occur...

[MiniMag84]

Aaaah, alright. Thanks Kevmaster. I don't fiddle with AGD's good work.

[pito189]

Originally posted by Kevmaster
although since you CANT get Timmy 63 triggers...we're all screwed...eh? I wish the oaf who makes them and all his friends would do more work for us Maggots

I have one. hehe

[Kevmaster]

so do I...but Magman doesnt

[lamby]

My honest opinion:

Look elsewhere for a tourney gun.

let me way the pros and cons:

Pros:
1) realiable
2) easy to maintain
3) super soft on paint with LX (I have only had problems with one case of field blaze, but other than that not one chopped ball, and I have shot ALOT)
4) fast (but not as fast as others due to a speed lock)

Cons:
1) ultra limited in the upgrade department
2) heavy, and slightly akward ( you can get used to it,I did)
3) non water-resistant (tourneys play in the rain, my failed in Chicago)
4) RT induced bounce problem with trigger rod in (I know my marker, so let's not start this again )
5) non existant trigger adjustments (you have two, pull tension, and position{with a TL63 like I got} or Hall-Effect magnet position {stock}
6) Non-adjustable circuit card {abaility to adjust dwell for example, or warp rotation adjustments)
7) ROF capped at 16 (moving to 20 in the future, but not yet)
8) Fit and finish are garbage, look at the crap grips that AGD still uses.
9) good luck finding parts for them at a large tourney if you need parts. (not many emag users out there, and AGD does not support the PSP)

You AGD chronies can flame if you want, I dont care. I have to tell minimag84 how it is. I think he might want to look at an angel, timmy, impulse, shocker, or an eframe cocker for that matter.

The best marker is the one that you feel comfortable with, that is the bottom line. Shoot every marker you can get your hands on in the price range you are looking to spend. THEN and ONLY THEN will you be able to determain what is best for YOU.

[MiniMag84]

That's the thing though, I have shot the guns you listed there and out of all I feel most comfortable with the Emag. I'm not planning on playing in any hige tournaments so I don't think I'll be needing spare parts booths or anything like that. I like the idea of not having to spend 500 on upgrading it, I don't think I'll be able to fire close to 16 a second, I would never adjust the trigger, and I think the grip is comfy. Thanks for posting all that though.

[Hexis]

Originally posted by lamby
Cons:
1) ultra limited in the upgrade department
2) heavy, and slightly akward ( you can get used to it,I did)
3) non water-resistant (tourneys play in the rain, my failed in Chicago)
4) RT induced bounce problem with trigger rod in (I know my marker, so let's not start this again )
5) non existant trigger adjustments (you have two, pull tension, and position{with a TL63 like I got} or Hall-Effect magnet position {stock}
6) Non-adjustable circuit card {abaility to adjust dwell for example, or warp rotation adjustments)
7) ROF capped at 16 (moving to 20 in the future, but not yet)
8) Fit and finish are garbage, look at the crap grips that AGD still uses.
9) good luck finding parts for them at a large tourney if you need parts. (not many emag users out there, and AGD does not support the PSP)

While I do respect your opinion, I think you are somewhat misleading in a few of these points.

1, There are limited cosmetic upgrades available. As for performance upgrades, what else is needed? The valve has been shown to cycle significantly faster than any hopper (or warp) can feed. Also, faster with paint than I have seen out of any other marker.

2, Heavy if you are using the SS body. The ULE parts or XMag are much lighter, without giving up any of the AGD build quality. Awkward how? They have never felt awkward to me in the 6 or so years I have owned a minimag.

3, Even if you do have problems with water, you have Manual mode. Something no other EGun has.

5, Non-Existent = none, yet you mention a few in your listing. I think you ment to say "Limited Trigger adjustment".

8, Ok, one part on the EMag is junk, the grip panels. There are cosmetic upgrades available for that. How does any other part of the gun have crap fit and finish?

9, Outside an O-Ring kit, what parts are you likely to need? I have only ever seen one hard part fail in all of the Mag valves I have used (on my and many mag owning friends guns), and that part isn't even in the RT/X Valves.

[lamby]

Originally posted by Hexis


While I do respect your opinion, I think you are somewhat misleading in a few of these points.

1, There are limited cosmetic upgrades available. As for performance upgrades, what else is needed?

I would like replace the on/off assy, get a better barrel kit, get a body that is water tight to the rail ect.

The valve has been shown to cycle significantly faster than any hopper (or warp) can feed. Also, faster with paint than I have seen out of any other marker.

2, Heavy if you are using the SS body. The ULE parts or XMag are much lighter, without giving up any of the AGD build quality. Awkward how? They have never felt awkward to me in the 6 or so years I have owned a minimag.[/B][/QUOTE]

Minimag is NOT an emag just FYI.. I dont care much about the weight, just pointing out facts

3, Even if you do have problems with water, you have Manual mode. Something no other EGun has.

unless you try to elimate bounce, or use a TL63. Then manual is a pain in the ***

5, Non-Existent = none, yet you mention a few in your listing. I think you ment to say "Limited Trigger adjustment".

My bad, over exageration. tring to state that it might as well be non existant

8, Ok, one part on the EMag is junk, the grip panels. There are cosmetic upgrades available for that. How does any other part of the gun have crap fit and finish?

Oh yea? Who? Frymark sold, or is selling the molds, no other supplier is making them due to "limited demand" I think Shartley is going to be making some, but they are not out yet.

The body to rail to frame has gaps, there is a spot that water can drop right into the hall sensor, paint can get right on the circuit board, there is a huge amount of slop in the stock trigger of any emag I have ever seen, the barrel will lock up the LX if you push it to hard into a sup'air bunker. Is that enough?

9, Outside an O-Ring kit, what parts are you likely to need? I have only ever seen one hard part fail in all of the Mag valves I have used (on my and many mag owning friends guns), and that part isn't even in the RT/X Valves.

I had to give away a power feed plug, an on/off pin (to prevent runaway), bolt bumpers, reg seats, and the occasional o-ring. All pretty minor until you need one.

Dont get me wrong, I love my EMAG. I just will not use it at another large tourney because of a couple of critical reasons I posted above. You will se me and the mag tearing up the rec fields though.

[pito189]

Originally posted by lamby
3) non water-resistant (tourneys play in the rain, my failed in Chicago)

I used mine in a downpour. I'm not talking little wussy rain. I'm talking 6 inches of standing water on the field. While it was still coming down like a monsoon.

My gun only did not work one time. I was ripping on a string, and it just stopped. Mind you this was the 6th game. I switched over to manual and kept going. The next game it shot fine in E.

No other E-Gun to my knowledge can switch over to manual if the board gets wet.

It's cool if you have your qualms with AGD, just don't make those HUGE generalizations about the products, the company, and their support.

Ahh, magman doesn't need a blade trigger. He has an SFL he is too needy.

[gibby]

Originally posted by Kevmaster
although since you CANT get Timmy 63 triggers...we're all screwed...eh? I wish the oaf who makes them and all his friends would do more work for us Maggots

I didn't have a difficult time getting one. Just message the guy who makes it and he'll set you up with one.

[lamby]

It's cool if you have your qualms with AGD, just don't make those HUGE generalizations about the products, the company, and their support.

what generalizations? MY marker failed for game eight. It was dead, nothing.. There is no "generalization", just a plain fact. I played game eight with a sister team mate's angel.

[FalconGuy016]

If you are most comfortable with an emag, then get one That is most important

[lamby]

Yea, what Falconguy said.

That is ALL that matters.. What is right for YOU.

What I think, or say does not mean squat in the long run.

All that matters in the long run is that you play ball, and have a good time. Maybe I will play against you some time.

[MiniMag84]

So Emag it is. Now for the hard part....Persuading my dad to let my buy all this stuff.