Converting from an angel to an SFL e-mag

[Speedy]

Ok, someone help an angel owner to the light. I am considering the conversion from an angel to a SFL e-mag with ace, and warp.

Questions:

1. When will the extreme and SFL e-mag be out with the anti-chop eye?

2. How much will they cost and who will be selling them??

3. What is the feed window I keep reading about?

4. Why should I get the sfl over the agd?

Thanks for any help.
P.S. I have a New(almost) Purple Fly II I will trade. I heard rumors of agd trading at world cup.

[AGD]

Come Here My Son I Will Tell You All....(deep booming voice)

Next batch of SFL's will have ACE.

Sold only by Bad Boyz Toyz in Lansing IL for 1375.00

I think the Feed Window you are talking about is "bolt open time". It is the amount of time in the guns shooting cycle that the bolt is open and allowing a paintball to drop in. The more the better. The Warp force feeds the balls and will work with shorter "bolt open times". Closed bolt guns like Cockers have the worst Bolt Open Time.

Get the SFL because you like the way it looks and it's lighter from the milling.

AGD

[Speedy]

Holy crap!!

$1375.00 for the SFL!!!!!! That is a lot more than I expected. Most Angels are cheaper.(Future e-mag owners heart stops beating)

How much is the AGD extreme and when will they be out??

How much is the AGD air 68/4500? When will it be out?

Can you guys do some kind of package deal for the following:
1.AGD extreme (pewter) with side feed
2.AGD clear warp feed
3.AGD air 68/4500
4.warp battery eliminator and intellifeed thing a magig
Just an idea. I think people like me that are making the switch would be very interested in some sort of discounted package ready to go.I would only need to buy a freak kit and hopper.

I meant: What is the trap door feed?:>) sorry

I think my heart just started to beat again.
Is there some sort of Angel trade in policy or is that just rumor?

Thanks Rob

[Thordic]

I don't think its all that expensive, considering it includes an ACE.

I mean, sure, some angels might be cheaper, but what you don't realize is this gun outperforms those angels

[Speedy]

Don't Flame me

Let me say I really like the e-mag but in reply to outperforming the angel "that still remains to be seen".

Problems with current e-mags make the resale really really bad.

I don't think I can justify that much money on a gun that is:

a. not proven itself (yet)
b. is probably going to have terrible resale if not all it's talked up to be
c. The timmy has an ace and it isn't breaking records. (This ace craze is like the Lp craze "hype"). I do think the mags rep will greatly benefit from this addition though.

Bottom line is: I am not going to buy one at that price until they have proven to be a very competative marker.

Some of the Jax warriors play at my field from time to time so maybe they will let me try one of theirs when they get them.

Don't Flame. Just my opinion in my thread.

Rob

[MagMan5446]

Problems with the current E-Mag? Never heard of them....anybody care to enlighten me?

An ACE doesn't cost all that much to begin with, if you do it yourself anyway...it's really not all that hard.

[ZeroXtreme]

MagMan5446...

Can you direct me to some site that has instructions on how to make your own ACE? My friend has a 98Custom and wants to custom build an ACE for it.

Thanks!

[X-Plosive]

speedy by any chance do you lvie in Miami and play at strike force?

[AGD]

Speedy,

What did you think it was going to cost?
Why do I have a bunch of people that want to trade me their Angels for Emags? (do a search to see the trade ins)

How much is manual overide worth?
How much is fixing it yourself worth?

Not a flame, just asking nicely.

AGD

[ben_JD]

Originally posted by AGD
How much is manual overide worth?
How much is fixing it yourself worth?

Tom, you are starting to sound like a Visa commercial....priceless.

[ZeroXtreme]

Bullseye...

How much is manual overide worth?
How much is fixing it yourself worth?

Tom, you hit it right on the nose...

A couple of the most compeling reasons why I got an E-Mag over an Angel.
Especially with little ol' me livin' all the way over here, no AGD to run to when my electronics screw up, the answer - "Manual Mode." That way I can still use my gun in RT Mode while I ship back my electronics to AGD.

[Miscue]

The Retro Valve owns. That's my favorite part of the gun. The Angel's (or any gun for that matter) pneumatics are no match for the Retro. This is the core of your performance, RTs/EMags inarguably win here.

I've put about a dozen cases through Dark Angels... My best friend has two, and I used his spare for a while. The very first time I shot one, I was waiting for the fireworks and fanfare... partly due to the incessant "OOOoooh... DAAARRKK AAANGGGEELLLL" 's that my other blind-firing chiropractor buddy who is more of a spectator than a player would regularly say as he showed off his DA.

"Whoa! This thing vibrates!" That was about the most impressive thing that I found really. Given, it shoots pretty good, and pretty fast, I didn't run into many problems... but it's not a big deal either. I was happy to go back to my considerably smaller Hyperframe-Mag once Centerflag sent it back, and didn't miss the DA at all. I wouldn't mind having one though, and would have one if I had the money...

I'm not just saying this because I'm a big AGD fan (I'm a fan because the stuff is so gosh dangit good, not because it's fashionable), but I was very impressed with the EMag trigger when my gun finally arrived. After I messed with it a bit, it got even better. It's so good it should be a fad. Maybe only among paintball connoisseurs for now.

Useless features - Angel wins here. Useful Features, EMag hands down.

[Speedy]

x-plosive: No I live about 45minutes outside of Jacksonville. (I used to live in jax).

AGD: I thought it would cost around $1100.00 for the sfl and around $1000.00 for the extreme.

Manual overide is worthless to me really. The angels battery is good for something crazy like 300,000 shots. These guns don't break and if something happens warped sportz is in Jax.

I can fix my angel myself as a matter of fact no one has ever worked on any of my guns. Angels are more reliable than the mags I have seen (my experience). Before you say that it is the owner remember I've seen some of the Jax Warriors pro's play.

Miscue: I agree with you the Angel is a very over rated gun. Hell the thing should run to the bunker and shoot by itself for the money you have to pay. I sold my cocker to get my new angel and although I think it is a nice gun my cocker shot better and cost a whole lot less. The one thing that I really like is the micro-switch trigger, other than that I am disappointed in the upgrade. That is exactly why I will not buy an SFL for that money.

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The Problem here is that "all" of the paintball guns are getting way to expensive. The B2k2 and the timmy are the only two guns that really have any bang for the buck anymore. What high-end marker is less than a $1000.00?



I am not trying to flame or beat up any gun. I am just telling you how I feel. I am probably not the only one that feels this way. The price for the new E-mag (IMHO) is to high plain and simple. I will just wait to see if it is as good as I hope. Depending on what the resale is I might just buy a used one for cheap after a couple of months. Who knows I may just sell everything and forget about paintball(it is getting to expensive).

[bornl33t]

the problem with the LP hype was... it WAS just hype.. there was no performance gain from going LP... but the ACE is PROVEN to effect you're gun positivly and if tested properly like only AGD can do it can be tweaked to increase feedrate without chop.
Me thinks that the 1350$ pricetag is a little high BUT me also thinks that it's just MSRP??? right ? wrong ? AND just like all markers it will decrease in price as they become more common. You can buy mildly used E-mags for an EASY 800$ right now.

Mag's haven't proven themselves? Just because they haven't been available till recently in "rainbow bright" anodize that everyone seems to think increases performance ( the same reason why a civic with YELLOW stipes goes faster then a non pee'd on civic ), doesn't mean that they are less reliable. Besides... what came first? Mag or angel? What is making big strides in improvements?

By the way, what's you're anual salary like?

[Manuel_FZR]

I think the 1350$ are verry high, but in my eyes, the SFL is the ultimate marker, and look at some custom cockers, there you have somnetimes the same/higher price!!!
So, if I could buy the SFL in Germany, I would! And I would spend the 1350$
Go to your Dealer and buy the SFL with ACE, a Warp, a Hopper, the Flatline 4.5k and he will give you a good price