Converting from an angel to an SFL e-mag

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  • Dragoon
    Team Dragoons
    • May 2001
    • 580

    #16
    Hey guys Speedy has some good points here.

    I used to own a Dark Angel and switched to an Emag. I made the switch for a couple of reasons.

    1. As you pointed out Speedy (and some others) the Angel has a lot of hype. I liked the trigger and it was very reliable. I used it for a whole tournament year with any problems/malfunctions. That aside I found it hard to hit people within 1-3 shots. I tended to have to rapid fire in order to get on target. Now that may have been mostly me, but I didn't like the way it made me play.

    2. I really liked the manual override on the Emag. I think this is one of the main selling points of the marker. It's a great safety and one that I have used in a game because I forgot to charge up the battery on the way to the tournament (user error for sure, but the marker compensated).

    3. The reputation of AGD is unmatched (an opinion of mine). Here I'm referring to the quality of the workmanship, function of design and customer service. I like being backed up by a company that is as dedicated to it's customers as AGD

    4. I want function in a marker, without the hype. I know that AGD markers do not have the resale of others in the same class. I do not think this is due to performance, but more with marketing and trends. AGD has always produced items with function in mind not marketing. Given the choice I'll take the underrated marker over the expensive hyped one.

    5. The last thing that influenced my switch was innovation. Of all the companies out there producing products for paintball, none think and design outside of the "box" as do AGD. They are very innovative in their approach, and produce products that give players an edge (The warp my not look that great, but I love the fact that not many of my opponents are using them. I think the warp is the best innovation since HPA. It with out a doubt gives me an edge in a game because of the reduced profile it gives).


    Speedy, I realize I sound somewhat fanatical, but it is not blind devotion. In terms of making the switch, I would suggest picking up a used Emag. I think you'll find you get great bang for your buck ($700-$800 stock, around $1000 with warp and extras). The SFL has the option of interchangeable breachs, and will soon have the ACE. Other than that your paying for milling, anno, and a little reduced weight.

    Hope this helps (this is very unlike me to be so vocal!)

    Douglas.

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    • Speedy
      Registered User
      • Nov 2001
      • 45

      #17
      I'm not the smartest

      Heat: Annual Salary? Why would you want to know that? It is not enough to justify paying $1350.00 for a paintball gun. That is why I am selling all my gear I have now. I have really nice new equipment, but I can't afford paint.

      Dragoon: Yea, I am probably going to wait until the extreme mags start to show up used and then buy one. I have seen standard e-mags selling for $1000.00 with warp,hopper, and air. I will just wait until I can find great deals like this on extremes. I had a guy offer me a ptp e-mag, warp, hopper, intellicable, flame drop and battery eliminator for my Angel. I really want an extreme so I will just have to wait.

      One thing that concerns me is how good is the eye with different paints? The timmy is good with the ace but it isn't the fix all.

      I am really considering buying something cheap and spending more money on paint.

      Honestly, I think that the SFL is probably an additional expense that is not necessary. The milling isn't really that great (it is better than the extreme) when you compare it to competitivey priced angels. What else does it offer other than a boomstick; that I would replace with a freak set.

      AGD: How much are the extremes going to sell for and what barrel do they come with?
      How much will the AGD 68/4500 air sell for?
      When will these items be readily available?

      Thanks for all the help and info.
      Hats OFF to this wonderful forum. You guys provide constructive criticism without flaming people for their opinions (I am a member of pbnation and those guys really act like kids sometimes)!!
      2k2 Fly II(purple)
      Shocktech drop foward(black)
      Cp ON/OFF cradle(nickel)
      Crossfire 68/4500
      Warp feed with PTP adapters(clear)
      Ricochet 2K(black)
      CP barrel kit (3 backs, 10" and 12" fronts)(Polished back, black tips)

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      • Dragoon
        Team Dragoons
        • May 2001
        • 580

        #18
        Hope to see you around Speedy.

        Douglas.

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        • AngelBoy
          _-=Angel Boy=-_
          • Oct 2001
          • 863

          #19
          I dont own an emag, but ive shot them. I chopped so many balls in them, but that was because the hopper couldnt keep up. After I got used to the trigger I could rip so much faster than I can with my angel, and without a warp its a bad thing. I like the Angel microswitch, but the manual mode on the emags are worth more. Angels are incredibly overrated, and I wish I had bought a different gun like an emag or now demonic impulse, and then I could spend the rest of the money on a good air system, hopper, warp, etc...

          Speedy, you point out some good points. The only problem I've seen with emags is when people start to do stuff to them. But I think that $1350 is a fairly reasonable price considering what people pay for Angels.
          Why go to the light, when darkness has its warmth too....
          Brak "I poop in the sink."
          EPIC - Warp - 68/45 Armageddon
          Black 2k LCD
          Green 99 Dark Angel

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          • Speedy
            Registered User
            • Nov 2001
            • 45

            #20
            Yea but

            Angels are way overpriced so you can't compare the price of the e-mag to the angel. This is my first angel and to be quite honest it doesn't perform any better than my 99 autococker did (paint to barrel match is key).

            Yea, it looks awesome and is very light. The angel even has a bunch of features that are neat and useless. The angel even shoots 20 bps, but I can't afford that much paint. My finger is only good for about 11 BPS so who cares.

            If I don't get an extreme then I will just buy a mid-level gun. I don't play any better with my $1400.00 Angel. HYPE! HYPE! and more HYPE!

            P.S. I will get an extreme somehow!

            I just found out my Fly II is a 2K2!!!
            Does anyone want to trade for an SFL emag w/ace and warp?

            Tom will you trade me an extreme w/ace, agd 68/45 and matching warp for my 1 mo. old 2k2 Fly II and brand new Freak kit??????

            Rob
            2k2 Fly II(purple)
            Shocktech drop foward(black)
            Cp ON/OFF cradle(nickel)
            Crossfire 68/4500
            Warp feed with PTP adapters(clear)
            Ricochet 2K(black)
            CP barrel kit (3 backs, 10" and 12" fronts)(Polished back, black tips)

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            • Dubstar112
              Dubstar111x
              • Feb 2001
              • 2321

              #21
              If I don't get an extreme then I will just buy a mid-level gun. I don't play any better with my $1400.00 Angel. HYPE! HYPE! and more HYPE!

              You said it your self, and since you dont want to keep your 1400 dollar angel, what gives you the idea that a 1375 dollar EMAG is going to be any better- Its not(for the amount of paint it throws), and since you are going to a lower level gun, the emag is in no way lower- look into a lower class gun like you said.. easier on the paint budget.

              look into a mechanical marker.. like a mag, cocker,.. the only mid range markers there that are mechanical
              AO #765
              CCM Series 5
              Prerelease Impulse
              Hyperframed Warped Mag w/flatline tank
              Feedback.


              Good to know that somone of Tom's status seeks "relief" from a sport he helped create. A sport now ruled by a single patent.

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              • BlackVCG
                Grubby Owner

                • Oct 2000
                • 4956

                #22
                $1375 is a lot for the SFL, but you're paying for the name and the milling. Take a look at it this way. The standard E-Mag MSRP is $1250. You can find standard black E-Mags going for about $900. Granted, I doubt you'll ever find the SFL for about $1000, you have to keep in mind it's a specialty gun and it will continue to cost that much as long as people pay the price.

                My advice would be to wait for the Xtreme and get one of those and use the cost savings between the Xtreme and the SFL on an air system, barrels and paint. The Xtreme will come with the same options as the SFL (ACE, removable breech, etc.) minus the milling and name. You can get an SFL now, but it depends on how much you want it. They're still pretty new to the market, so expect to pay full price for one. The Xtreme I should think will retail around $1100... maybe a bit less, maybe more.

                Then there's the trap door feed E-Mag (The one shown in the prototype section on the front page) This will have ACE, cocker threads, be all aluminum and be built for Warp Feed only. We should be looking at this one coming out some time next year. Could be the middle or the end of the year, I have no idea.

                So your options are open to you. You can get an SFL now, without the ACE and get it once it is released, you can wait on the Xtreme, which will debut with the ACE, or you can wait on the trap door feed E-Mag. Many flavors to choose from, just depends on how bad you want one and if you're willing to wait. No matter what you chose, you will be satisfied and have a gun supported by a great company and this forum to come to for all your questions.

                Good luck on your choice and don't be afraid to ask questions.
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                • Slapp
                  Rail Bushing Tech
                  • Jul 2001
                  • 157

                  #23
                  Speedy, "high end, bleeding edge" markers are probably overkill for 90% of the people who use them but hey, when you are hooked you are hooked. Ha!

                  While the prices of these high end markers appears high indeed, keep in mind that each piece is custom designed, extensively researched (at least with AGD products) and produced in relatively small batches so manufacturers do not get the cost efficiencies of huge production runs. Tom made an interesting point in the tech class. Paintball guns are made to quality standards that allow them to fire litterally thousands and thousands of rounds over their useful life. By comparison, real guns, even high quality rifles such as hunting rifles or something like an M-16 would be totally trashed after a fraction of that many cycles. In a way, you are getting what you pay for, a highly engineered, custom piece of equipment that performs to extreemly tight tolerances, under a variety of conditions.

                  I may not end up buying an angel or SFL e-mag but I kind of understand better why they cost what they do after attending AGD's tech class.

                  I'm building a retro-valve, power feed minimag, tossing a 12 volt revvy and a 68/3000 flatline on it with a 12" freak barrel. If I cant take you out first with that in anything other than the highest level of competition (and even there most likely) the shortfall is with my game and not my equipment. For me, this configuration adds up to the sweet spot of reliability, performance and bang for the buck!

                  Find your own sweet spot bro and don't worry if that is not at the bleeding edge of state of the art paintball markers. You can buy equipment but you can't buy skillz!
                  A good friend is one that will come and bail you out of jail.
                  A great friend is one that is sitting next to you in jail saying "Man that was F#%*ing Awesome"!
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                  • mac2k4
                    Ca$h money
                    • Jun 2001
                    • 362

                    #24
                    if ya say the angel is overrated, and ya can't lkeep it do to price, well why would ya buy a xtreme mag? the fly costs about 12. so your going to get a emag xtreme for 1375? and ya say you didn't do any better than w/ your ocker huh?
                    then get another cocker....
                    who cares what gun ya have, oh well ya can have 23modes, turn to mechanical cause your dumb azz doesn't charge battery or it just fires, your gun is 5.5oz lighter or what ever, if ya played better with your danm cocker get your coker back!
                    who care what others think, if ya can shoot people out with your cocker the ndo it.

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                    • FeelTheRT
                      Registered User
                      • Jun 2001
                      • 2950

                      #25
                      Re: Converting from an angel to an SFL e-mag

                      Speedy, if u buy an Emag, you wanna sell ur Fly ?
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                      • z-zero
                        Signing paint Slinger
                        • Aug 2001
                        • 138

                        #26
                        will we ever learn? :)

                        I don't play paintball because I have a nice gun, or the newest thing on the block. Paintball is not about what equipment we use but about how we play. 90% of the info I find on paintball is about equipment not the game. I'd like to see a market driven by the sport of it not the hype. The only way this can happen is by players being players not consumers. Just some thoughts.

                        z-zero
                        This is an AGD forum, show some respect.

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