Angel Speed Info I need some

[AGD]

Speed owners,

I recieved this email from WDP about their new low pressure mods and I am confused. I have not seen the Speed so I am not exactly sure if it works the same or not.

First off the gun is reported to work at the low pressure of 350 psi according to the add. Our tests on the Dark Angel showed it at 375, was ours just a low one or what?

Second in the old Angels the volumizer in the front was the air chamber for the reg that cycled the parts, not the air chamber for the ball, has this changed?

Thanks for the info,

AGD

[auX]

Mr. Kaye, I'm confused about your first question. You said that you were confused about the operating pressure about the speed? Well to my knowledge, the speed operates at 350psi out of the box. Later on this year (hopefully within a few months), WDP will be releasing their own set of volumizers that will bring the operating pressure down to as low as a Matrix (around 150psi or so). And no, WDP has not changed the location as to where the volumizers go. I hope this helps.

[AGD]

oops forgot the add here it is.

[AGD]

Aux,

The thing I dont understand is that if the design is the same, the air in the volumizer does not go out behind the ball, it actuates the piston.

AGD

[SkeL]

The angel speed operates at 340psi out of the box, and has the chance to go even lower with a volumizer. WDP sells 3 different sizes, and there is already a new company that is selling large ones that match your marker's color, that allow you to dip into the 180psi range. This is the lowest you can go. Since the battery is smaller, and the larger gas gallery on the left chamber is now where the LPR is, a volumizer would work on both sides. There isn't enough information as of yet to determine which side will work best. The pro's that do have the large WDP volumizers but it on the "cycling parts" side of the marker.

Edit: You posted the pic before I posted

[auX]

Oh geeze, I forgot they moved the LPR. What kind of Speed owner am I?

[AGD]

So your saying that as you aim the gun, the tube on the right side has the hammer valve and the 350 psi chamber that will shoot the ball and on the left is the lpr and battery correct?

If so how can putting a volumizer on the left side reduce the pressure on the right?

AGD

[SkeL]

Good question, but they are obviously connected by an air passage.

Good info is hard to find because the volumizers are so hard to get right now. WDP has been putting them off for weeks, and they only real ones available are the DIRT ones I spoke about before. I would provide more specific info but no one has any.

[Prairie]

Hm, so they are selling volumizer's (phallic looking ones @ that) like barrel kits now..that's kind of neat.

[nerobro]

IIRC, they moved the LPR to the other side of the gun. they are using a battery that's only half the size of previous angels so it's no longer taking up the whole tube.

This leaves a HUGE valve chamber, something on the order of what youll see in an AKA gun. And because there's no LPR in front of the valve chamber you can use LPC's on there ;-)

[BlackVCG]

Tom, I'll gladly go over to WDP at IAO and buy you a Speed and we can mess around with it.

[QUINCYMASSGUY]

low pressure

Related to this question, the expansion chambers, and definitely directed at Speed owners who really know their guns, is if you are able to get the Angel Speed to effectively cycle at these low pressures indicated in the ad, would this be enough where if a paintball is halfway in the breech when the trigger is pulled and the bolt moves forward, would it be soft enough that the ball would be pinched or would it still cause the ball to be chopped or damaged enough to break in the gun? I am not highly familiar with Angels and Matrices (loving the Lvl 10 ULE Mag for now) and was interested in knowing if using these mods would be enough to replicate the effect of the Lvl 10 or if it is more gimmicky than anything. What other benefits does such a low operating pressure have in an Angel that makes these mods worth getting?

[BlackVCG]

Not sure how much force is behind the ram (bolt face) right now, but any reduction in cycle pressure will put less force on the bolt face. The trade off with running low cycle pressures is cycle rate of the ram, which directly affects your ROF. Lower firing pressure allows the gun to use more of the air in the tank instead of dropping off with 800+ psi left in the tank, like many guns.

[Animal Mother]

I bet The Angel Guy can answer a lot of theses questions.

Yeah, I do agree with the look of those volumizers.. damn.. they need to do something with those, LOL

[SkeL]

Re: low pressure

Originally posted by QUINCYMASSGUY
Related to this question, the expansion chambers, and definitely directed at Speed owners who really know their guns, is if you are able to get the Angel Speed to effectively cycle at these low pressures indicated in the ad, would this be enough where if a paintball is halfway in the breech when the trigger is pulled and the bolt moves forward, would it be soft enough that the ball would be pinched or would it still cause the ball to be chopped or damaged enough to break in the gun? I am not highly familiar with Angels and Matrices (loving the Lvl 10 ULE Mag for now) and was interested in knowing if using these mods would be enough to replicate the effect of the Lvl 10 or if it is more gimmicky than anything. What other benefits does such a low operating pressure have in an Angel that makes these mods worth getting?

Yes, you can make the Speed Pinch, but naturally you will have horrid efficiency.
As BlackVCG said, an object of the same mass moving at a lower speed will naturally cycle slower.
I'm happy with my speeds 82psi ram/lpr pressure. That's the standard operating PSI. Sensi keeps my marker from chopping, so there's no need for me to pinch.