Angel Speed Info I need some

[MarkM]

The main problem for giving a "good" answer is that the volumiser equipped Speed's are currently very few and far between. But to answer AGD the redesign in relation to the layout has allowed the addition of volumisers on the correct side of the valve to actually lower the operating pressure, in the IR3, LCD and LED this wasn't the case so volumisers were purely cosmetic. The nearest parallel to a 'mag would be the "Black Box" but then you know what that was really for I do like the idea that Tom is openminded enough (and publically saying so) to see how others do things which is always good

[Doc Nickel]

Re: Angel Speed Info I need some

Originally posted by AGD
First off the gun is reported to work at the low pressure of 350 psi according to the add. Our tests on the Dark Angel showed it at 375, was ours just a low one or what?

Well, technically the original LED and LCD Angels wanted to see around 400 to 500 psi for a good shot. "LP" became such a marketing buzzword that people began tuning for "low pressure" which in most cases was rarely below 275. Stock, you could get it to 350 psi or so.

So the advertising really should be "slightly lower than stock", but of course there's no Truth In Advertising law going on here, is there?

Second in the old Angels the volumizer in the front was the air chamber for the reg that cycled the parts, not the air chamber for the ball, has this changed?

Yes. In the original LED and LCDs, the "Volumizer" simply added additional space to the LPR- in other words, it was like putting a "Mitey Max" LP chamber on your Rock reg.

In the Speed, WDP cut down the battery pack and moved the LPR to the leftside tube. The entire righthand tube is now all valve chamber forward of the cup seal.

Naturally, everyone's going for the bigger and bigger valve chambers (LPCs as pictured above) but nobody's realizing that the so-called "low pressure" gains the shooter exactly nothing in range, accuracy or performance, and will be mildly to extremely detrimental to gas efficiency.

But, reality be damned- there's gadgets to sell!

Doc.

[TAG]

Tom,
Not sure if this will help but I just scanned the thread while driving to IAO.

Since the valve is on a side by itself it is now possible to create a larger air space by adding the various low pressure chanbers.

This is pressure that actually sends the ball on its way out of the barrel. The needed LPR pressure has also been reduced to the 82psi range. We have still gotten excellent results with it as low as 4.5 bar. For those of you that do not know the LPR is what controls the movelent of the RAM and this also moves the bolt to chamber a ball.

I had a stock fly2 that shot 300fps with only 330psi going into the gun but this was unusual. We noticed that the standard pressure was around 375+ on most guns to get the needed velocity.

With the speed and a 4.5inch volumizer we have gotten our actual firing pressure down to 175psi with a velocity in the 290's. This was with an LPR pressure of 4.5bar.

Most stock speeds we have tuned before shipping have had an operating pressure below the 350 rated from WDP.

I do have my speed with me so if ya like I can drop it off at your booth

[JT2002]

how did u read the thread while in car going to IAO?

[Animal Mother]

Originally posted by JT2002
how did u read the thread while in car going to IAO?

Yeah... they're called "Notebooks" or "Laptops", you can also link them with mobile phones to dial out to an internet connection. Bluetooth makes this even easier since you don't even have to conect the phone to the notebook computer.

Hey... did ya know they made a paintball gun with electronics in it?

:)

[JT2002]

yah lol, i knwo what a laptop is, have one myself, just didnt know u could dial em up to the i net via cell phone. good way to kill ur minutes

[Catch22]

I think Mac's have sometithing called a bluetooth network. But that only exists in cafe's and airports as far as i know.

[Animal Mother]

Bluetooth is a IBM technology, it is a short range plug and play wireless connection, think of it as wireless USB. new phones are bluetooth enabled so you can sync your address book, calander etc. and connect your phone to your notebook and use the phone to dial out and connect to the internet. WiFi, AirPort and.. I think there is another name for it all are all fancy names for 802.11b/a and now g which is a wireless networking standard. think of it as.. wireless ethernet. That is the technology you can roam within range of a base station and surf the net, Starbucks and Airports are starting to have base stations in theses locations. I have actually done "War Driving" where you drive around with a high powered antenna and "look" for open networks :)

[JT2002]

lol, how does the "war driving" work out? i have wireless i net, he!! thats what im using to access this forum on my desktop. and i love being able to go hang outside on teh deck and sit on the laptop playin yahoo pool or AO or somethin

[Matt_mg]

another war driver? use an empty pringles box on your antena!
I heard it boosts reception by 10%, or at least you'll have eaten good chips and got funny looks while driving around.

[minimag187]

Originally posted by auX
will bring the operating pressure down to as low as a Matrix (around 150psi or so). And no, WDP has not changed the location as to where the volumizers go. I hope this helps.

Actually the matrix with the LPR on the front operates at about 90-110

[Doc Nickel]

Originally posted by TheAngelGuy.com
With the speed and a 4.5inch volumizer we have gotten our actual firing pressure down to 175psi with a velocity in the 290's. This was with an LPR pressure of 4.5bar.

At the risk of public heresy, I have to ask: Just what was, or is, the benefit?

Did you see any improvement in accuracy, or efficiency, or consistency?

Or was it "It's Low Pressure 'cause Low Pressure is cool"?

Doc.

[minimag187]

Im guessing its better for more brittle paint, but what would I know.

[Animal Mother]

Originally posted by JT2002
lol, how does the "war driving" work out?

Pretty well actually, A LOT of open networks in the bay San Francisco area. Amazing how many people haven't changed their default network settings and passwords, hehehe :) We didn't do anything bad.. just something to keep a couple of geeks on a Friday night entertained.

The pingles cans work well, but it's just a form. The lining of the "can" doesn't do much, it is just a good form for an antenna. You get better results with coffee cans. I just used PVC pipes, washers and some copper wiring and pipes. I'd love to get a notebook and setup a wireless network, but I have 3 desktops (one of them a mac G4 Cube) and a LAN. I would get a notebook.. but you see theres this Angel Speed I just got.. hehehehe

Only as a backup to my ULE E-Mag :)

[auX]

Originally posted by minimag187


Actually the matrix with the LPR on the front operates at about 90-110

Whatever, I'm not a Matrix user. Sorry for not knowing.