Qloader (innovation at IAO)

**GoatBoy** · 07-24-2003, 05:24 PM

I think it's a great idea.

Lotta naysayers out there with no vision.

Something like this will hopefully move us toward a bullpup design for paintball guns, kind of like that picture earlier. There's no reason why the ball feed and bolt have to be directly under the grip. This would make better use of space and reduce your exposed profile.

The exact opposite would be something like a tippman M98, which yields like a 4-foot long gun. Talk about bad designs.

You're pretty vulnerable while reloading any hopper. Mostly because you've got one hand on a loader, and your concentration looking at the hopper as you try not to spill balls. If you think about it, the reloads on a system like this would be easier.

The best position to mount would probably be on top of the gun, feed area forward and extending backwards. Being on top, you might get the benefit of having gravity feed whatever few balls you have left in the tube while reloading. Facing backwards would reduce your forward profile.

Might be nice if they made an angel-threaded mount for it, so you can just secure it onto the gun like a feed tube.

**Jack & Coke** · 07-24-2003, 06:19 PM

I wonder if anybody took this design to the NEXT LEVEL of developement... I'm not familiar with this "built-in" warp-style feeding system, but it looks cool!

Has anyone here ever used this gun?

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**rx2** · 07-24-2003, 06:31 PM

That is a pretty old design. If I remember correctly, those were introduced in the mid-nineties. The mag held 30 rounds, and the paint was spring-fed, as the animation suggests. I have seen one used once, and I though it operated similarly to the Tippmans, but it has been a long time since.

**Jack & Coke** · 07-24-2003, 06:48 PM

how fast does it feed?

Does it jam?

Also, how does this new Qloader sort and funnel the balls up into the tube?

**sniper1rfa** · 07-24-2003, 06:51 PM

i like it. a lot. if you could fiddle with it to mount it where a warp goes (like, on top of the mounting plate), that thing would kick some serious ***.

**rx2** · 07-24-2003, 07:16 PM

Whoops! I just noticed that the magazine on that marker has been redesigned to accept a hopper and to feed via an electronicall powered mechanism. The original design, though, was 30 rounds. The one I saw worked pretty well, (no jams) although that was the only one I had ever seen. I don't remember the feed rates on it, but it was pretty fast. I think there was a selective fire feature on this marker, also. It has been too long to recall accurately.

This is only speculation, but from the pics the Q-loader looks like a helical system where the paint is indexed around a carrier that is tensioned by a torque spring.

**adam shannon** · 07-24-2003, 08:36 PM

from what we saw and were told the q-loader is a helical fed pod where the balls travel in a groove on the inside of the pod by spring tension in a spiral fashion then are indexed at a small hole one at a time in the end to go into the hose.

the guy said he had a patent..somebody look up the technical drawings.

those at's are chain fed. the chain picks balls from a gravity fed well and pulls them to the breach like a conveyor belt.

**Wat** · 07-24-2003, 09:50 PM

Ahhh, the AT85/TS1

ATS bought the design from Tagline back in 96 or 97 and then made some improvements. I picked up the first gen ATS version in 97. On co2 it jammed constantly. But when i switched to HPA, it became the single most reliable gun i've ever owned, more reliable that my palmer, minimag, angel, BBT and eclipse cocker. On HPA i have never ever had a single jam or ball break. Not 1 out of a case, not once when my hopper was running low, i mean zero out of maybe 50,000 rounds fired.

What i find unfortunate, is that outside of the feed mechanism, the gun has some unique designs. It is an auto cocking nelson valve. There is a LPR and 4 way just like a cocker. Unlike a cocker, the gun's timing is locked in and not connected to the trigger.

The trigger trips the sear, the hammer strikes the valve and the valve strikes a lever that trips the 4 way to open the bolt and cock the hammer. When the ram fully cocks the hammer and opens the bolt, a collar on the ram trips the 4 way the otherway closing the system.

The gun's got an autococking mechanism thats impossible to short stroke and an indexed force feed system that prevents chops. All of this without any electronics. Its unfortunate that the magnum loader was deemed to costly to produce.

**sneakyhacker420** · 07-24-2003, 09:59 PM

i don't like the Q-Loader... but i would really like some of that clear hosing to use on my warp feed instead of this fugly black hose

**adam shannon** · 07-24-2003, 10:01 PM

im pretty sure its just 3/4 inch corrugated plastic hose. find somebody who works at a hospital...they use miles of it in respitory machines.

**Jack & Coke** · 07-24-2003, 10:21 PM

Originally posted by Wat
Ahhh, the AT85/TS1

ATS bought the design from Tagline back in 96 or 97 and then made some improvements. I picked up the first gen ATS version in 97. On co2 it jammed constantly. But when i switched to HPA, it became the single most reliable gun i've ever owned, more reliable that my palmer, minimag, angel, BBT and eclipse cocker. On HPA i have never ever had a single jam or ball break. Not 1 out of a case, not once when my hopper was running low, i mean zero out of maybe 50,000 rounds fired.

What i find unfortunate, is that outside of the feed mechanism, the gun has some unique designs. It is an auto cocking nelson valve. There is a LPR and 4 way just like a cocker. Unlike a cocker, the gun's timing is locked in and not connected to the trigger.

The trigger trips the sear, the hammer strikes the valve and the valve strikes a lever that trips the 4 way to open the bolt and cock the hammer. When the ram fully cocks the hammer and opens the bolt, a collar on the ram trips the 4 way the otherway closing the system.

The gun's got an autococking mechanism thats impossible to short stroke and an indexed force feed system that prevents chops. All of this without any electronics. Its unfortunate that the magnum loader was deemed to costly to produce.

Thanks for the great explaination!

Too bad this system wan't refined over the years. I suspect the evolution of the electro's killed it. If SP kills off the electro market, maybe this system will make a come back?

LOL!

**Mossman** · 07-24-2003, 10:32 PM

Sweet idea. I bet this is like what the corkscrew would be...if it was ever going to be made, which i doubt at this point.

If the price got reasonable, they would work something like you have of them, 1 on either side of the gun, mounted somewhat like warps. Then you had 2 hoses going into your marker, and some way to switch which one is letting balls into the breech and which one is blocked off.

That way you could shoot 1 pod, flip the thingy on top to let the other balls feed, and at your leisure reload the 2nd pod. And you'd have 200+ ball capacity, with only 104 balls MINUS the ones in the hose that don't get forced up there, you'd really be at a disadvantage.

Seems like it could be great for front guys though, they could shoot at any odd angle, and if the front guy is playing how they should be they shoulda got a few guys out or been tagged long before they hosed 100 rounds before giving themselves a chance to reload

**Jerhew** · 07-24-2003, 11:10 PM

Originally posted by Jack & Coke

Thanks for the great explaination!

Too bad this system wan't refined over the years. I suspect the evolution of the electro's killed it. If SP kills off the electro market, maybe this system will make a come back? LOL!

everything wat said is true...
though it does have it's flaws...
it can be reliable but you have to know how to use and maintain it and it is, for the record, 50x more complicated than an autococker
several small springs inside...lots of moving parts...
but atleast all the moving parts are protected inside the housing
unfortunately it's really not a speedball kind of gun...
i guess you could use it for speedball but you'd have to do some heavy modifications...
the grip doesnt accept a drop forward...etc
they come standard with semi and full auto(yes f/a and it's mechanical..too bad you can't use full auto anywhere anymore)
it's great for woods/scenario games but semi auto is way too slow to keep up with electros(i guess if sp loses the suite, someone could make an electro sear tipper grip for
it)
the other thing that you may be interested in j&c
is it's method of ball detente...
they call it a unisizer...
basically it's a short piece of nylon ribbing all the way around the circumference of the breech it's just stiff enough to grab any size ball but doesnt damage them in any way
and since it goes all the way around, the ball is centered when it's fired

**Jerhew** · 07-24-2003, 11:15 PM

my at-85

it's a good thing ats isn't a subsidiary of smart parts...
they could probably broaden their patent on it's index fed clip to claim prior use on the warpfeed

**Jack & Coke** · 07-26-2003, 09:01 PM

More QLoader information at WARPIG

WARPIG - World And Regional Paintball Information Guide

http://www.warpig.com/paintball/technical/loaders/qloader/index.shtml

Go read the article for more info...

enjoy

Qloader (innovation at IAO)

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