The "unpractical" Emag

[Steelrat]

Eh, its all good. I felt skirt's Xmag, and it was pretty damn light without any mods. I was just daydreaming...

[sps16]

can somebody explain to me why the emag uses such a big battery? what is it 18.6 or something. If they could re-evulate the current technology with batterys and stick something smaller and lighter in there, it would be money.

[Steelrat]

Its huge because the solenoid is huge. Apparently the solenoid is huge becasue it needs to trip the sear and hold it open for 30 ms. I think they use a Nickel metal hydride battery, which is about as good as it gets battery wise. I think theres a polymer lithium ion, but it just sounds expensive.

[sps16]

well what about littium ion batterys and such, like the stuff on laptops, cameras etc. Those are so light now, and they have to be powerful enough to power an emag if they can power a laptop

[Steelrat]

I don't know how much better they are than the NiMH.

[sniper1rfa]

in this application, they arent.

Li-Ion are not capable of putting out as much current as NiMH. Also, they are EXTREMELY expensive. As in, probably $200 for one to power your emag. They arent nearly as durable, breaking down in much fewer charge cycles. Hell, the annode starts breaking down as soon as the battery is made, wether its being used or not.

The only reason they are used in laptops and cell phones is size. They put out twice the voltage, and roughly the same density, so they can be nearly half the size.

In paintball, this is a void point...



However, i do agree. Although i would give my arm for an x-mag, i am curious as to why the valve was not redesigned to interface with the electronics a little more smoothly.

[lamby]

First off let me say that there is very little about the power system for the emag that I do not like. The battery is a great grip, It is easy to remove to charge, balances the gun nicely, and has alot of current (many shots). The yellow pin is lame though.

The solenoid is large (making the frame too big for decent water tight grips) but needs to be based on not the dwell timing, rather the amount of force that is required to trip the sear. A small solenoid will not trip the sear with all that associated with it without a HUGH current draw and would melt a small solenoid. The reason why a hyperframe can do it, is that there is no hugh sear and manual mode to muckup the works. leverage is a very powerful tool in this debate, and it is not used in the emag to its fullest extent.

My only problem with the emag is manual mode I would love to see that removed intirely, as it is useless to me. And causes more problems than it is worth. A small sear that rocks with more leverage on the on/off pin and no trigger rod would be nice.. but I can't complain. If Tom wants to make a tank, that is his right. I just want one that won't get dq'ed in a tourney and maybe some user adjustable software.

[GT]

Personally

I love my mech mag I just finished building however, I am not making any plans to buy an AGD electro. Its just not effienct enough for me. I was shooting deroach's X, dont get me wrong its an awsome gun but for that kind of coin I need more shots per fil. I am also not a big fan of the hal effect trigger.

It would be a totaly differnt gun with an optical trigger, small selnoid for bolt control and a small selnoid as the on/off.

[JT2002]

well you know, i really do like my emag, but the thing reall is heavy, anyone wanna get a great deal on an emag with lvl x? lmk (seriously)

[thecavemankevin]

keep in mind that What AGD's valve does what it does in a totally different way than your vicking....or any other gun for that matter.

The reason other guns can do it with a simple 9v is that it takes very little power to run the computer controled solenoid. Where as it does take a great deal of power to trip a mag's cycle. Afterall, think about how much strength-work it takes to mechanically trip a mag.

I think it would be a great idea if AGD could figure out a way to trip it with greater ease and thus a less powerfull battery. But with its current design...i don't see it happening. Would likely need an new design all together.

[WARPED1]

The Emag is a great gun, but the battery configuration HAS to go............. Any other electro can run off a 9v or one of those 9.6v rechargeables. Emag must come into the 21st century .........

[no_doz]

i thought u were anti agd warped1

[WARPED1]

Not against its products, but the companies attitude, and the cult atmospere here.
Not to mention that "chuff chuff" Untermag bullshiznit.

[Angry Man]

Considering the emag is just a normal mag with an electro-frame it is a little expensive and impractically designed, but no more so than an e-cocker. Some people get less than a case of their e-blade before replacing the battery. Sure, it runs off a nine-volt, but still.....

Anyhow, hopefully the ule trigger will result in an emag that can run off a 9v battery. Sear trippers are never gonna have the battery efficiency of electros that work with a standard 4 way solenoid, which is why I like my electros pure and spool valvey or stacked tube solenoid designy.

[Automaggin2]

Well, lets see.



The matrix and the impulse are far different from each other. How the hell are you gonna say they are similar? What, they are similar that they shoot paintballs? Get your facts straight. The Impulse is more like a Bushmaster/Timmy then anything (basically a solenoid driven spyder). The Matrix is desgned like...like....hmmmm nothing. Its an orginal design, the 2003 shocker operates somewhat like it.

The impulse is a direct copy of a Bushmaster!


Why would they want to redesign the mag? It is one of the most consistent and reliable valves in the industry, Heym, ever look at a raptor reg on a air america tank? Maybe its designed somewhat like the mag valve? HMMMM........


Your not to smart are you. Redesigning the mag will take away its originality. Why change it if it doesnt have to be changed? Just like a cocker!


It was improved on, not changed. Like lets see, the RT valve, now they have the aluminum RT valve. Now they have the ULT system. And level 10. It keeps getting improved on, not redesigned.