The "unpractical" Emag

[Blazingace]

All I can say is that the X-mag is lighter than a Fly IR3 and faster to boot. If you think it is too heavy or Impractical. Quit your *****in' and grow some bigger arms ya sissys.

[JT2002]

Originally posted by Blazingace
All I can say is that the X-mag is lighter than a Fly IR3 and faster to boot. If you think it is too heavy or Impractical. Quit your *****in' and grow some bigger arms ya sissys.

and that would be why they call it an "X-mag" rather than an Emag.

[Richter]

I thought the matrix design was base on nova/super nova. Or we could also call them the Pringle can line of guns

[Meph]

Originally posted by Skoad
yea you can get "thousands" of shots off a 9volt, but can you do 20,000?

Hmmmmmm, about double it! Race Grip for autocockers. 30K shots I've seen, and so far heard of some getting 40K per 9V. Very very efficient battery life. Unlike it's dumber brother Eblade, maybe 5K shots a 9V.

Happy?

[Meph]

Personally I say screw that magnet noid and just get a small pneumatic ram in the grip frame to take its place. Slap on an LPR and electronic 4-way noid in place of the battery for the foregrip (but 9V can still be there), have the ram and board in the grip. This way the on/off pin can still be used, since some guys think that it can't be a mag without this.

I agree with previous statement already made. Screw the mech/hyb/e modes. Just make it all E-mode.

And with a 4-way noid, you can have it in the OFF position when resting. Pull the trigger, then it quickly cycles. This way, you won't need to worry about having a mechanical mode for chornographing.

[S.S Bandit1]

Don't forget that just about every part on ANY mag is interchangable. How many other marker linups can do that (besides cockers)? Changing the design of the e-mag would ruin that.

Lamby, if you are sick and tired of manual mode, why don't you just take out the manual trigger linkage?

I THINK A FEW PEOPLE HERE NEED A TISSUE TO SOAK UP ALL THE TEARS SHED FOR THE WEIGHT OF THE EMAG!!!

When was the last time you heard someone say, or you said yourself, "O, sorry guys, I'm gonna sit this one out, my arms are too tired from holding this gun." If that is the case, go play chess or something less physical.

P.S.-Don't worry Tom, I still love you and all your contributions to the paintball industry.

[Meph]

Of course not. They say "**** this, I'm selling this E-mag"


Also, bandit. You, wait. Yeah I think. Uh huh. There's something a little brown on that nose of yours! Might need to take a look at that.

edit
When I see improvements or ideas of what can be done to Tippmann markers. And I talk to the guys at Tippmann about what I think is bad, or what I think can be improved. Does that instantly mean I don't appreciate what they have done for the entire industry and sport of paintball? No, it just means I have a couple ideas. That's all.

Don't confuse people inputting ideas and suggestions with bashing, insulting, and unappreciative behaviour. There's a big difference and you're blurring them together.

[yagrmiestr]

Hey wait a second.... I love my emag and wouldn't give it up for anything else, but that doesn't mean I think it is perfect. Don't mistake coming up with ideas to improve upon it for whining about it.

[lamby]

About the linkage.....

s.s bandit... I dont want to beat a dead horse. Been there, did that, and almost got 3 emags disqualified. Read some of my last posts if you want details

manual mode......

I think meph is right. AGD should look into a purely electronic marker and drop this archic (sp) manual crap. Manual is useless if you got a good e gun (angels and timmies are a testiment to this)

weight.......

the EMAG is NOT heavy unless you have to carry a warped one still full of paint over your head going to the dead box. therefore, dont get sent to the dead box and you wont have a problem

interchangeability with older markers.....

The compatibility issue between different mags is a bad idea, just like backwards compatibility in computers caused so many problems. If you can make something better like M$ did with 2000 that is not compatible with old crap, make it and let the market decide if they want backwards compatibility, or quality. I am sure 80 out of 100 will want the new stuff even if that means you cant run your old software. how many you still use real dos? Did you even realize that 2000/XP does not even support real world dos anymore?
(maybe a bad comparison, but I think it fits)

What is the expected life expectancy of a marker? how long should it be supported with parts? how much stock is AGD willing hold for old equipment? This will all weigh into the equation for a new marker line. On top of the standard cost/projected gain assesment. Would you be upset if your marker could not get factory parts after say 5 years? I would not but that is me. If the marker is good enough the free enterprise system will take over and someone else will make parts. If the marker is crap it should not be an issue anyway, buy a new one.

[hostage]

on the subject of "unpractical" why don't other markers build regs into their valves?

I duno about the pneumatic noid, mb they could manufactor a new on/off valve that could take advantage of something like that, but I still like the knowledge that if something goes wrong I can always just turn it to mech mode. In addition if they went with small noid, then they would have to add a LP reg that would add some weight and totally redisgn the marker? MB it would suit people best if the recharged or made sure they had working batteries b4 they played.
-Doron

[hitech]

The reason the solenoid is so large in an emag is for reliability. As a solenoid heats up it looses power. The emag solenoid still has more power than it needs even at the bottom of it's power curve. The larger solenoid also requires a larger battery. Here again the battery is as large as it is for reliability. It could be smaller but it wouldn't be as reliable. The 'mag is all about reliability.

[sneakyhacker420]

Originally posted by Steeratt
Why couldnt you have a lighter on/off pin like the ULT, and a solenoid that activites it directly, instead of using the sear to trip the on/off?

um... but then what relases the bolt... idiot

[Dayspring]

Doing all the things you talk about would require a TOTAL redesign of how a Mag works. And it then ceases to be a Mag.

Lamby- You're the ONLY person who has problems w/ your manual mode. Put your foot down to the judge and tell him that there are no tournament rules that say you have to chrono your gun in manual. Start a string of balls and sweep it over the chrono, and the thing will read the correct speed. Tom himself said this at the tech class. Get over it... Run a classic valve if you want to totally eliminate bouce or put a ULT in. You'll be all set.

Just remember- the gun was designed the way it is for very specific REASONS.

Large noid- dependable and able to actuate the gun correctly for the amount of time needed.
Battery- ability to power the 'noid.

There's a reason why some of the e-frames for mags don't work correctly.

[Angry Man]

Meph, that's a good idea about the ram....I had the same idea too, actually. Still, I think that the space saved by a smaller battery would be more than taken up by the larger size of a ram and the size of a 4 way solenoid (they're not exactly small)...add a bunch of pneumatics hoses and the design of the emag just got a lot more confusing. While that would definitely improve battery life (and I can definitely see someone building a home grown e-mag like that), I think it would just make the e-mag even more confusing and bulkier...not worth a little battery life savings.


As for "lighter than a fly angel," gz timmies are 2.5 pounds as are featherlight vikings, new shockers are like 2.2 pounds or something, and the angel 4 is under 2.5 pounds too, i think....it's been a while since fly angels were the lightest of light guns.

[Meph]

It's not about space saved too much. Because the ram isn't that long, you won't need a cocker ram. It won't travel even close to that far! A tiny lil clippard ram would work beautifully.

And overall it's not about space. It's about MONEY!!! A not-new, just modified overall design, a way to make this thing drop down in cost. By dropping this mechanical/hyper/e-mode stuff, a cheaper way to make the marker fire (4-way and ram). I'd hope that Tom could at least drop the cost 100 bucks, probably even more. I mean you can house the hoses through the frame and body rail. There's PLEANTY of meat! So it'd be all internal and clean. Not messy.

And the entire front housing design can stay the same. Instead of just battery, throw in the 4-way noid, the chip, and a 9-volt housing all in one. Leave the ram alone for the grip frame. Keep the whole design clean. So it won't be bulkier, it won't be a hassle. It'll be actually smaller possibly.

Plus best of all, with a pneumatic ram (cocker style, just not as long) and the ULT.... you can have this thing cycle no problem. There would be no need to even worry about the reactivity since it'd all operate off of the LPR and noid! And as long as the firing sequence is in the off position to start. Then trigger pull makes it cycle again to the pin being off. You would have this cycle not only fast, but also able to cycle this with its recharge as something to never worry about again!

This design here has major potential. And honestly I hope that Tom would use this. I won't even ask for credit, I know it's been thought up before. It had to have somewhere, I can't be the first guy to think of this.