The "unpractical" Emag

[adam shannon]

Originally posted by FalconGuy016
Its true, but it works good
I think it would be cool if AGD came out with a totaly new gun, not just a mag based on the same valve, but something truely electronic.

yeah, great...as long as i can sign up for the pre-order list right freakin now!

[lamby]

Dayspring,

No flaming here, just think that an electronic only marker would be better for ME, maybe it is not for you. Don't matter much because I decided on what I am going to do. I am "over it" I am now $900 closer to my warped sportz speed demon
(I want a ROC ir3.. that has to be the sweetest looking maker of all time but $1600 is too much right now!!) All I need is another 300 bones and I will have a new primary marker. I might sell the emag and pick up an rtpro with a hyperframe as my backup. I am not a hater, I just need something other than stress right now.

I have said a MILLION times already, if you dont have the problems I did, the EMAG rocks. If you have, It sucks A$$ and is not worth it. I love the duribility of the mag, but I am willing to give that up for technical superiority.

Peace

[Albinonewt]

I'll tell you what, I love my E-Mag. It's never steered me wrong and I feel confident going on the field that I'm not going to be outshot by a better marker. I may get outplayed by a better player, but my marker can hold it's own against anything else out there. And at the end of the day, that's all I ask.

[Angry Man]

Meph, I had a nice response written to your idea until my computer crashed because it's a mac and a piece of junk. Anyhow, in summary....

I don't think your design would be cost effective and space saving for the following reasons: You'd also need an lpr (which you forgot to mention) which would take up a good deal of space (especially if you wanted it to recharge at a decent rate to avoid shootdown). Beyond this, an e-mag solenoid is 40 bucks from this site, whereas 4-way solenoids are 60+ dollars and that's on top of the cost of a ram and LPR.

Perhaps a bko-style 2-way solenoid coupled with a ram that's returned by the force of the e-mag's valve would be a better option. Simpler and cheaper.

Anyhow, impulse/bushmaster/angel/intimidator style and matrix/new shocker style electros will always seem like a better design to me because they are simpler and designed around the fact that they are electro-pneumatically controlled.

[Meph]

Yeah, a spring-returnable ram is always possible. I'm just not sure if one that small is possible. Or if it is, if the entire ram assembly would have to be custom-made instead of bought from a pre-made fashion. Not like it'd be hard to make!

And I did mention LPR. But in the previous post a few replies up "Slap on an LPR and electronic 4-way noid in place of the battery for..." I did forget to mention it in the longer post, though.

But you are right, a spring-return ram and 2-way noid would be a better, cheaper (maybe), and more air efficient design.

The entire point would be to make the production cost drop. If this cost just as much, then honestly I'd say scrap it! Just tryin to think of a way to make an E-mag more affordable without sacrificing quality or ease of use.

[Steelrat]

Sneakyhacker420 recieves this post's JERK award for calling me an "idiot" for posting my thoughts on possible improvements. Thanks for being insulting in a thread that had, until then, been dedicated to civil discussion of emag changes. So what if I forgot about the bolt release? Is it worth calling me an idiot?

[JT2002]

well you know, the emag valve is much cheaper because it lets the emag valve do all of the return work, the noid pulls the trigger rod to shoot gun, and lets emag valve do the rest. meanwhile all other noids like that in timmys and such need to HOLD the noid open one position, and closed in another

[Star_Base_CGI]

The hybred design is awesome and will if not already lead to innovations in other fields.

Its reliable. Other guns get wet or something your stuck with a useless hunk of metal.

you guys are paintball hoes.

[Meph]

PB hos? No, I'm just trying to think of a way to make a cheaper Emag!

[Star_Base_CGI]

AGD doesnt care about making cheap guns. If they wanted to make them cheap theyed have them milled in CHina.

People all do things their own way. I like to do things as moral as possible and take my time...

AGD seems to like to make them in the US. Make the product innovative, reliable and long lasting. Making the products long lasting means they will be around long after we are all gone.

They take whatever markup they have and use that for promotions. People have money buy the product. Its the BMW, RX7, Humvee, whatever you want to label it of paintball.

[Smoke]

Originally posted by Steeratt
Well, the downside to the 20,000 is, when its gone, its gone. Back to the ol' charger. When my 9 volt croaks, its out with the old, in with the new.

But what happens when your lil' 9 volt goes kaputt in the middle of a game and you don't have another on you? With the E-Mag, if your battery dies, just flip it to mechanical mode. So basically the E-mag is 2 guns molded into 1. Also, you can go roughly a month without having to recharge the E-Mag battery, and that's on top of constant play.

E-Mag impractical? Nope.

[Ov3rmind]

I can't think of a time when someone's gun went down during a game because their battery died. The mechanical override gives the user a sense of extra reliability, but the fact of the matter is your electronics are most likely not just going to mess up on you.

[Smoke]

Originally posted by Ov3rmind
I can't think of a time when someone's gun went down during a game because their battery died.

You have no clue how many times I've seen that. @_@

Of course, I'm head ref at a field, so I see crazy stuff all the time.

[kutter]

I gotta go with automagfreek here, my buddies IR3 died just as we were walking on the field to play one day, he had to sit out several games while he got his back up setup.

Had this happened in a tourny, his team would have been playing without him. Now I admit that it does not happen often, but Mr. Murphy always has it happen at the worse times

[Albinonewt]

At IAO someone in the 7 man had their gun's electros go down on them. I think the day of play was Sunday and I can't for the life of me remember the team (I was still VERY hung over).

But, they did a sweet move. He shielded one of his buddies whenever he did a bunker ran this gun ran right beside him on the inside. It was a slick move.