new military policy on paintball markers

[edweird]

Remember that although we are serving in the forces that protect this country and our way of life. We give up certain rights to participate in this when we signed on the dotted line. Watch out for the trickey ways the UCMJ alters reality on military instalations and what "rights" are thus abridged to assure security on base.

Being a former dorm resident I can testify to the stupidity that can be displayed from some of our less intelligent members. This chaotic factor is why the military in general has dissallowed storage of weapons of any kind in the military controlled barracks/dorms. Yes I agree that 99% of us are responcible enough to keep our equipment stored in a footlocker and out of reach of drunken bastards. But as usuall that isnt enough.

My suggestion... Make rank, Move off post, build your personal armory :P

remember this. RHIP

Rank Has Its Priviliages

And until then work whatever legal angle you can to store your stuff.

[Taco]

not me

[kosmo]

Well this isnt exactly new policy, Ive been having trouble with it for a while now. Problem is, Im not allowed to live off post, and since its Korea, the only people that do are officers, so naturally I dont trust a single one of em. So I tried to keep it in the Armory, only to find out that the BDE commander doesnt want those things cluttering up his precious arms room. So that left me with no choice but to keep it in my room. Im just being creative about where I put it, and they can piss off if they think that they can stop me from playing.

[Taco]

i always keep mine in my room y wouldnt you... where else in ur house wuld u put it unless u got some sort or paintball room

[micromag02]

you all sound like you have it easy. i'm stationed in okinawa and we have rondom "health and comfort" inspections. we have been woken-up at 4 a.m. and made to stand in the hallway until two staff NCOs go through our room. there is no way i can keep my gun in the barracks and the armoury is not even a consideration. quess i'm stuck using rentals till i get out in a couple months!

[Esh]

4 A.M.? What branch are you in? I'd be pretty pissed if I had two NCOs that were not my supervisors come through and check my room that early in the morning. As a squad leader, I would be pissed that someone in the head shead felt that I couldn't do my job and was bothering my troops when they should be sleeping. My job as a squad leader is to make sure my soldiers are living correctly, if I'm not doing that then I'm failing my soldiers as there squad leader and my chain of command as one of there junior leaders. Oh I hate micromanaging, if they don't feel your up to the job then they should fire you and do it themselves. Different units do it different ways.

BTW Taco, are you in the military? By your posts it doesn't sound like it.

[shartley]

Originally posted by micromag02
you all sound like you have it easy. i'm stationed in okinawa and we have rondom "health and comfort" inspections. we have been woken-up at 4 a.m. and made to stand in the hallway until two staff NCOs go through our room. there is no way i can keep my gun in the barracks and the armoury is not even a consideration. quess i'm stuck using rentals till i get out in a couple months!

Originally posted by edweird
Remember that although we are serving in the forces that protect this country and our way of life. We give up certain rights to participate in this when we signed on the dotted line. Watch out for the trickey ways the UCMJ alters reality on military instalations and what "rights" are thus abridged to assure security on base.

Being a former dorm resident I can testify to the stupidity that can be displayed from some of our less intelligent members. This chaotic factor is why the military in general has dissallowed storage of weapons of any kind in the military controlled barracks/dorms. Yes I agree that 99% of us are responcible enough to keep our equipment stored in a footlocker and out of reach of drunken bastards. But as usuall that isnt enough.

My suggestion... Make rank, Move off post, build your personal armory :P

remember this. RHIP

Rank Has Its Priviliages

And until then work whatever legal angle you can to store your stuff.

Originally posted by Esh

Originally posted by SG Avenger
Well if you've ever lived in the barracks area, you'll realise your average soldier is between 18-22 most of them have just gotten away from their parents, and act a fool all the time.

Here at Knox, there is no supervision arround the barracks, and its a consolodated area for several units in 5 different 3 storry buildings..

its chaos. I've got my paintball gun in my closet. I wouldnt trust it to the arms room, heck, I dont even trust my car in the parking lot.

Originally posted by Eagle
That has been the rule everywhere I've been stationed (Groton and Norfolk). I tried keeping it at a friends, but that was a pain, so now I keep it 2 hours away at my mom's. Sucks, but oh well. Sure beats having it confiscated by getting cought with it.

[Esh]

Originally posted by shartley

Like you said it is a unit level problem. The PMO are not subject matter experts with unit level problems. Why would you go ask someone that does not know for an answer? GO TO LEGAL, they are the subject matter experts on this and make them do there job not just give you what they think. The only person that matters what they think is the Commander and if UCMJ gets involved he is going to legal for his information not the PMO.

Never fight rules, use the rules to your advantage. The regs are there to protect the soldiers and keep good order and disipline. Accepting the wrong answer just because someone doesn't want to do the leg work and research it is never the right answer. If you come correct all they can do is either agree with you or add to the reg which at that point you just adapt and overcome.

Like I said I've never had a problem with storing my paintball guns in my rooms when I lived in the barracks. I had regs to show where it wasn't prohibited, never made a big stink about it and always let informed my supervisor that I had them and what I found the regulation said. And they always just left it at that.

We can always disagree as long as we respect each other.

Got to go to work...

[devildog]

when i was at lejeune i just hid it in my room, had a couple health and comforts, but they didnt look very hard (they never do). also, i dont know what your MOS is, but maybe you can store it somewhere in your shop? ask whoever is in charge if you can store it somewhere there. one last suggestion, keep it at the local paintball shop, i know most of them have no problems with letting people do that, tell them the situation and im sure he will be more than happy to cooperate.

Originally posted by micromag02
you all sound like you have it easy. i'm stationed in okinawa...

hoorah okinawa. where you at, im over on futemna, brks 400 rm 343. come and stop by if you want, we'll have to play some time. actually, i write this from "The Spot" on camp foster, but i live on futemna. hook up with me some time if you want.

[shartley]

Originally posted by Esh


Like you said it is a unit level problem. The PMO are not subject matter experts with unit level problems. Why would you go ask someone that does not know for an answer? GO TO LEGAL, they are the subject matter experts on this and make them do there job not just give you what they think. The only person that matters what they think is the Commander and if UCMJ gets involved he is going to legal for his information not the PMO.

Never fight rules, use the rules to your advantage. The regs are there to protect the soldiers and keep good order and disipline. Accepting the wrong answer just because someone doesn't want to do the leg work and research it is never the right answer. If you come correct all they can do is either agree with you or add to the reg which at that point you just adapt and overcome.

Like I said I've never had a problem with storing my paintball guns in my rooms when I lived in the barracks. I had regs to show where it wasn't prohibited, never made a big stink about it and always let informed my supervisor that I had them and what I found the regulation said. And they always just left it at that.

We can always disagree as long as we respect each other.

Got to go to work...

[lopxtc]

Hey is the Globe and Anchor still around? Last time I was in Oki was 94 for a change of command ...

So how much time/money have you guys blown over in Whisper Alley?

Aaron

Originally posted by devildog
hoorah okinawa. where you at, im over on futemna, brks 400 rm 343. come and stop by if you want, we'll have to play some time. actually, i write this from "The Spot" on camp foster, but i live on futemna. hook up with me some time if you want.

[lopxtc]

Man the Corps has gotten soft .... you would have hated me as your Squad Leader ....

I tossed barracks rooms at least twice a week, and would usually finish PT ahead of the platoon (or skip morning chow) to inspect rooms on the other days. And when I tossed I tossed ... racks were stripped, with mattresses removed from the frames. Wall lockers would have drawers out and in the middle of the floor so I could check them fully ... I was an evil bastard, but my squad and my platoon never failed inspection and we were never busted for contraband or abuse of alcohol limits.

Field days were my favorite, especially in Japan with the interior hallways strip and wax the deck every morning was the routine on my floor. White glove every Friday morning ... fail room inspection and be ready to be re-inspected Saturday morning and Sunday morning ... fail either one and be ready to stand room inspection everyday for the next week.

Part of the fun of being in the grunts

Aaron

Originally posted by devildog
when i was at lejeune i just hid it in my room, had a couple health and comforts, but they didnt look very hard (they never do).

[Esh]

Well I put this out to any and all, Show me the regulation, and paragraph, that states that a paintball gun is not allowed in the barracks. I'm talking regulations right this moment, not policy letters. Policy letters will change between units. If I'm wrong then I need to be corrected but I have yet to see in black and white where it is.

Now with policy letters, this is usually where it is prohibited. There is nothing you can do in that case. You can try to plead your case to the command but it is there call in the end and if a commander wants to tie up his arms room with paintball guns that is his purgative. Oh and barracks policy letters are usually written at the post level and have a paragraph in them, if I remember right either the first or second paragraph, that states that no subordinate command can supplement that policy letter (learned that from being a BOSS rep).

UCMJ is just the means to an end. UCMJ doesn't give the commander his power, AR 600-20 does. UCMJ just sets up what a commander can and can not do to punish personnel and what can be punished.

To recap for all the young soldiers out there, Check the regs, check the policy letters, talk to your squad leader and check with legal before you bring in you gun. This is one thing that it is better to ask for permission then to beg for forgiveness. And if you find where it states that a paintball gun is prohibited, e-mail me the reg and paragraph so I can correct myself.

[50 cal]

When I was stationed at Ft Bragg, we never had a problem with keeping our p-ball guns in our wall lockers. The 1st Sgt just said if they become a problem, they all go in the arms room.

Later when I went to parachute rigger school at Ft Lee Va, the 1st Sgt was a real jerk. I had a pair of Rhodesian cammies on to go play at the post field. He came unglued. Tried to confiscate all my gear and the cammies too. I had a heck of a time getting it out of his clutches. The CO played, so I came out to the good on it. The Cpt just said keep it off post or in my POV. My truck had a bed cover that locked, so I kept it all in there.

[jungleguy]

whoa,

i didnt expect a ****load of responses.

i definitely need to research the regulations for this.
so i'll have some "ammo", if you will. for the mean time,
i'm probably just gonna keep my marker in my buddy's house.
He plays in the same team i do, so its convenient.
but he's moving back on-base soon...

im a Corpsman with 2D TANK BN ,Camp Lejeune
our new CO seems pretty cool, maybe i can have a little
chat with the guy.

thanks for all the input, i really appreciate it.