Angel 4 *pics*

[dre1919]

^^
That's both awesome and funny at the same time! Glad to see somebody in the paintball world finally admits how much they pay attention to Airgun's technology. That was the first thing I thought though when I saw the 4...was that they copied a foamie bolt.

[Marek]

Originally posted by ZAust
31 bps, mmhmm, ill believe it when i see it.

I second this. If it really can do this, then they can prove it with a vid.

[SkeL]

Originally posted by Bolter


The Angels still chop paint.

So do mags? MY speed has never chopped with sensi on or off. It pinches.

As per the 31bps issue: Frazer himself has told me it's possible, but who can shoot that fast?
Here's how the 31bps cap works: With sensi off, the maximum rate of fire is capped at 22. When you turn Sensi on, the ROF automatically is 31 with the a4, 30 with the speed. This is a great marker, it has the famous "debounce" settings, similar to a timmy, and has an anti=chop system that works. I wouldn't get one, because my speed is the same thing internally :)

[Marek]

Um, but that doesn't prove anything. Just because someone told you that that was true, that doesn't mean it is. Are there vids of it at least cycling 31 cps?

As per the 31bps issue: Frazer himself has told me it's possible, but who can shoot that fast?

What can feed this fast? It's not a matter of who can shoot this fast, but claiming that it can shoot 31 BPS for the A4 and 30 BPS for the Speed. It just seems that it's hype, with nothing to back it up.

[poolshark5226]

Originally posted by Deep Sixx

Mine doesn't. Ever. Thanks to COPS2, I can shoot 14bps with a 12v Rev.

Since when does COPS make your hopper feed faster...

[Deep Sixx]

Ok... thanks to COPS2 I can shoot 14bps with a 12v Rev without chopping.

sixx

[PsychoBaller]

I feel they skelotonized the body too much...... looks ugly now..... I would rather get a Speed if funds were avail.

[SkeL]

Originally posted by Marek



What can feed this fast?

Q loader...
ANd don't even bother with the "what's the point that it can cycle that fast" because the automag recharge rate videos are the same thing.

[Marek]

Originally posted by SkeL

Q loader...
ANd don't even bother with the "what's the point that it can cycle that fast" because the automag recharge rate videos are the same thing.

So putting words in my mouth now? I see the point to having tests to find out the speed of a gun. I would appreciate that we keep the conversation to things that I say, and not what you guess that people will answer.

So, there is a hopper out there can feed that many (have there been any tests done to confirm that it feeds that fast?) balls, now lets see a vid. Had a friend say the same thing, the Angel is the fastest gun out there, and it can shoot 30 bps and blah blah. So, if that's true, lets see a vid.

[AcemanPB]

Sure the board can tell the gun to cycle 31 times a second, but I'm doubtfull the gun can actually keep up. I don't ever see myself legally pulling more than 20bps in game anyways so it's all just one big pissing contest IMO.


The Speed, when it came out, was claimed to be the fastest marker @ 30bps, now the A4 is said to shoot at 31bps? Whatever sells more guns I guess....

[SkeL]

Well, I'm not the owner of WDP, so I don't have the ability to make a custom board with full auto at 31bps. You really think a major company would mis-advertise and risk losing everything they have built up over the years? Possible, but not PROBABLE. I'm confident that my speed could shoot 30bps if my loader and fingers could keep up.

[Branchvillian]

Most horrible trigger I've ever had the displeasure of touching. I still don't understand why the came out with it SO close to the speed, someone wanna clue me in here?

[AcemanPB]

Originally posted by SkeL
Well, I'm not the owner of WDP, so I don't have the ability to make a custom board with full auto at 31bps. You really think a major company would mis-advertise and risk losing everything they have built up over the years? Possible, but not PROBABLE. I'm confident that my speed could shoot 30bps if my loader and fingers could keep up.

Mis-advertise? I think the word you are looking for is marketing... I really DO think a company would bend the truth to sell more stuff. You make it sound like this kind of stuff never happens.

[SkeL]

when did I say this "stuff" never happens? I said it could be possible they are "bending the truth" but not probable. Too much risk. Here is an email we got from Frazer.

"Another misunderstanding is the true meaning of the 30BPS we are achieving with the Speed. Due to the redesign of the Angels internals we are now achieving 30 full mechanical cycles per second, including ball feed time. This means that there are actually 30 windows of opportunity for a ball to enter the Speed and be fired every second. This should not be confused with markers that can have their MROF turned up to 30+ and in the case of some Intimidators etc. 66.6 MROF. BPS and MROF should not be confused, as they are not the same thing. When other markers have their MROF turned up above their

Maximum mechanical capabilities (usually no more than 20 BPS) the window of opportunity for a ball to drop in is actually being shortened. In extreme cases the bolt will not even travel far enough back to allow any balls to drop in. Therefore, although other markers can activate above 20 BPS when dry firing they cannot achieve this with paint present.

Another serious advantage of achieving 30 full windows of opportunity every second (30 BPS) is that the player is far more likely to achieve higher rates of fire as the chance of the user hitting a window of opportunity are 50% higher. "

Wow, he's such a liar

[Python14]

Give me an ole' FLY IR3 that I can trade for an X-mag anyday, that's what I say.