Angel 4 *pics*

[AcemanPB]

Originally posted by SkeL
when did I say this "stuff" never happens? I said it could be possible they are "bending the truth" but not probable. Too much risk. Here is an email we got from Frazer.

"Another misunderstanding is the true meaning of the 30BPS we are achieving with the Speed. Due to the redesign of the Angels internals we are now achieving 30 full mechanical cycles per second, including ball feed time. This means that there are actually 30 windows of opportunity for a ball to enter the Speed and be fired every second. This should not be confused with markers that can have their MROF turned up to 30+ and in the case of some Intimidators etc. 66.6 MROF. BPS and MROF should not be confused, as they are not the same thing. When other markers have their MROF turned up above their

Maximum mechanical capabilities (usually no more than 20 BPS) the window of opportunity for a ball to drop in is actually being shortened. In extreme cases the bolt will not even travel far enough back to allow any balls to drop in. Therefore, although other markers can activate above 20 BPS when dry firing they cannot achieve this with paint present.

Another serious advantage of achieving 30 full windows of opportunity every second (30 BPS) is that the player is far more likely to achieve higher rates of fire as the chance of the user hitting a window of opportunity are 50% higher. "

Wow, he's such a liar

I already know WDP said the gun can cycle 31 times a seccon (and note that their is a difference between CPS and BPS) but I have yet to see PROOF. You think if WDP is sitting around testing $1300++ markers they could atleast set up a simple video camera to hush people like me.

[shinobidice]

and when they set thier gun down for a second, behind thier back bend a staple through 2 porting holes in the barrel, then you have a "30bps" expensive spray painter

ANgels are really expensive, and im sure im never gonna get the funds to think about geting one any time soon

[SpongeBobSquarePants]

fugly

[Marek]

Originally posted by SkeL
when did I say this "stuff" never happens? I said it could be possible they are "bending the truth" but not probable. Too much risk. Here is an email we got from Frazer.

"Another misunderstanding is the true meaning of the 30BPS we are achieving with the Speed. Due to the redesign of the Angels internals we are now achieving 30 full mechanical cycles per second, including ball feed time. This means that there are actually 30 windows of opportunity for a ball to enter the Speed and be fired every second. This should not be confused with markers that can have their MROF turned up to 30+ and in the case of some Intimidators etc. 66.6 MROF. BPS and MROF should not be confused, as they are not the same thing. When other markers have their MROF turned up above their

Maximum mechanical capabilities (usually no more than 20 BPS) the window of opportunity for a ball to drop in is actually being shortened. In extreme cases the bolt will not even travel far enough back to allow any balls to drop in. Therefore, although other markers can activate above 20 BPS when dry firing they cannot achieve this with paint present.

Another serious advantage of achieving 30 full windows of opportunity every second (30 BPS) is that the player is far more likely to achieve higher rates of fire as the chance of the user hitting a window of opportunity are 50% higher. "

Wow, he's such a liar

Yes, I think they would. They did it with the Speed.

Here is the thing that I get from that. They advertise 31 bps. Not 31 cps, or 31 windows of possibilities to shoot, nope 31 bps. I don't see that there is much interpretation either, since 31 bps means that 31 balls can be shot at one second. To me, it creates people that say that the Angel is the fastest gun out there, cuz it can shoot 31 bps. Of course when asked for a vid, "Well, you can't cuz it doesn't have full-auto." Then how can a compnay claim that then? Because they say so. Because they guess so? They guess they can shoot 31 bps.

I am sorry, but I do not know who this guy Fraiser is. If you could enlighten me, I would appreciate that.

Now, if this is the case, then there are 31 windows to shoot, and the max that any person can do is 20 bps. (physically possible) I would think that there would be a better chance of catching a window in that second if there were more windows than just 31. I.E. 66.6 windows would be a lot easier to hit in a second than 31 windows.

Now here is another question I have. Sensi, it's a pressure sensitive detection system, right? Why don't they use ACE and get it over with. With ACE, I've never had to calibrate the sensor (is this everyime you turn it on? Im referring to the ball test) or change settings of sensitivity. Not to say that ACE isn't perfect, but that would be along the same lines as saying a marker was perfect. Which of course, there is no perfect marker.

[Brak]

thats a nice IR3

[sps16]

well it looks nice anyway

[MayAMonkeyBeYourPinata]

Originally posted by Deep Sixx
Ok... thanks to COPS2 I can shoot 14bps with a 12v Rev without chopping.

sixx

so u can shoot faster than your revy can feed, how exactly is that possible.

P.S revies feed 11 bps

Monkey

[paint magnet]

Maybe he has a WAS boarded revvie?

Anyway, this debate over who's gun can shoot the fastest is getting really old. First of all no one can shoot a gun that fast, and if they could that would be just plain dangerous.

[Marek]

Originally posted by paint magnet
Maybe he has a WAS boarded revvie?

Anyway, this debate over who's gun can shoot the fastest is getting really old. First of all no one can shoot a gun that fast, and if they could that would be just plain dangerous.

I don't think anyone has mentioned anything about another gun being faster, or if the Speed is the fastest out there. The only question is the claim on the advertisement that says that Speeds shoot 30 bps and the A4 31 bps.

People take that as truth and spew it without even thinking about what that really means. Yes, it's faster than human possibility, but that is not the point of the discussion.

[MayAMonkeyBeYourPinata]

Originally posted by paint magnet
Maybe he has a WAS boarded revvie?

Anyway, this debate over who's gun can shoot the fastest is getting really old. First of all no one can shoot a gun that fast, and if they could that would be just plain dangerous.

since when are there was boards for revvies arent those for timmies

[Marek]

Originally posted by MayAMonkeyBeYourPinata


since when are there was boards for revvies arent those for timmies

He means the Turborev, which is made from WAS.

And there are WAS boards for other markers than just Timmys, such as Vikings and Impulses.

[~WarpedRT#2~]

How bout they advertise a gun that if you were to pull the trigger, (for any reason at all, including normal play) a ball will come out of the other end. And you can pull the trigger as many times as you like, and a ball will always come out of the other end.

For real, WDP makes some of the nicest guns, with some of the most mindless features. Who cares if it can shoot 30, or 31 balls a second? I want a ball to come out of the barrel when I pull the trigger, no matter how many times I pull it. What makes me mad is the fact that if I were to buy an Angel, I'd be paying over $1k for a really expenive thermometer.

[cris8762]

shot one of these things at the CFOA today

the trigger is nice, but really goofy. Feels fairly similar to a IR3 with a shortened back and a twister feed

they had the debounce setting REALLY low (first shot i took was like 4 shots per trigger pull)

i think they did that so that everyone who shot it was like " oh fizzle this thing is the pimp shizzle" and want to buy one.....

i saw the guy incharge of refilling the air so people could shoot it hold the grip in one hand, and toss the gun like 2-3 inches in the air, catch it and the force would make the gun fire like 10 times....it was insane

i say, for the $ just get a nice IR3 or Speed and pimp it out

[Nick O time]

Ummm...

It sounds cool and all, but just look at it. Yuck . To me that is really ugly.

[SkeL]

www.wdp-paintball.com or www.wdp.tv, click the tech center button, or here's a link. http://www.wdp-paintball.co.uk/ontech.htm

Frazer is their top tech, not some nobody.

Please ENLIGHTEN me on how they lied about the speed.
This BPS thing is really old, I think the only thing it matters to are the newbies 25bps is plenty fast for me, and warpedRT's idea is great I'm too tired to argue over childish things