i think agd should make a lower end gun, here me out

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lol the X valve costs $325 but that includes LX but neways its gonna be really hard to produce a nice high end cheap gun spyders are just... icky

[the_next_guy_]

mags are all based on a similar design since the beginning, and its the valve that costs the most to make. So to make the gun significantly cheaper they would have to change the valve and that would be stupid. Somehow I can't see AGD coming out with a spyder clone.

[minnimag]

to make a cheap gun to put in walmart could comprimise AGD's biggest asset, the fact they make reliable products.

[GoatBoy]

I think it's up to AGD to really decide how much they really want to be making, and what they're willing to do for it.

It isn't that hard to make lots of money, it just depends on: how much extra time you're willing to put in, how much of a scum you're willing to let yourself become, and how much scum you're willing to deal with. And this doesn't just apply to paintball.

I'm sure AGD is perfectly capable of playing the BS game like the other companies, but it's up to them to decide if they want to do that. I really think the market is theirs for the taking if they really wanted it.

Anyways, all that aside, yes, a stock mag can go for $185 new I guess. But you can get an entire blowback package for that much. They're not even anywhere near the 'lower end'. You know what? I don't even like to call it the 'lower end'. From now on, I'm going to call it the 'rear end'.

Personally, I wouldn't care if they released a 'rear end' gun if it in no way had any effect on the mag product line. I wouldn't buy one, but I wouldn't really care either.


The electro thing... I think if they made an x-valved standard-ish mag + ULT + simpler electro mechanism (standard switch, no need for the hall stuff, no ACE as long as the L10 is there, ability to power up off your hopper batteries, easy intellifeed hookups), that'd be ... great. Some of us don't particularly care for a fancy x-mag body; a standard no-rised centerfeed body + rail would be fine. And the ability to fire the gun without batteries is cute and all, but in my opinion not really necessary. I generally don't like electros, but this is something I would seriously consider getting.




That's... like my 2 cents.

[doc_Zox]

The only way to make the BE price point is to farm out production to China

[Albinonewt]

Originally posted by Dayspring
a stock classic mag is $200 or so. That's about what you can pay for a Tippmann or Spyder. I'd say that the classic is VERY competitive when it comes to that market. They just aren't pushed out with the gusto that Tippmann and Kingman do.

Agreed

[FutureMagOwner]

before tom should even consider something like this i think he would wait till after the lawsuit to see if he can keep his higher end line or not and to see where the market rushes to once many companies cant produce their productes.

[darklord]

Originally posted by FutureMagOwner
before tom should even consider something like this i think he would wait till after the lawsuit to see if he can keep his higher end line or not and to see where the market rushes to once many companies cant produce their productes.

What he said. The only thing is, Tom could still produce electros, but he'd have to pay up for the royalties to SP, which would be passed down to us. Same with all other companies producing electros. And I know for a fact that many people would refuse to buy electros simply because you would be moderately supporting SP via the royalties. I can picture a lot of companies going under due to this. Luckily companies like DYE (new producers of the matrix) have other lines to keep them in business. Others are not so lucky.

In the end though, it's Tom's decision. It's his company, his money, and it sure as hell would be his gamble.