if it looks like BS, smells like BS, then its............. New shocker

[Evil Bob]

You're right Kev, none of them actually "fire" from an open bolt position, it would be entirely too inefficient to do so, 95% of your air volume would vent into the surrounding environment instead of propelling the ball out the barrel.

-Evil Bob

[GT]

Originally posted by Kevmaster
i love it...sadly...most people will believe it superior (even though I cant name ONE marker that actually fires from the OPEN position...)

Kev thats just it. People are so stupid that they actually think this closed open BS does anything.

Just had a thought back to my newb days. I beleive my good ol' model 98 had an oring on the tip to create the "Seal Forward Technology (SFT)."

It kinda like when you have a bunch of folks submit resumes and you have to weed out the folks that arnt really quilified, however thier resume' sounds pretty.

[RRfireblade]

I haven't seen the design but if it actually "Seals" at the point of closure and doesn't inhibit the speed of the bolt and the therefore the ROF,sounds like a good thing to me.Most breaches aren't actually "Sealed" at closure particularly a Mag which can only be bad for efficiency and consistancy.And most bolts that simply have an O-Ring on the end sacrifice bolt speed and ROF to some degree.So who knows,maybe it does shoot better than if it did not have that feature.

Jay.

[Wickster]

Don't most all older (and cheaper) semi's have an o-ring on the end of the bolt? My wife's spyder does, and I know some others do too. Maybe smart parts "borrowed" the SFT technology. Wouldn't that be funny if PMI or whoever first put an o-ring on the end of the bolt sued them?

[Kevmaster]

what now, then, do we make of angels, timmys, impys, any EVERYONE ELSE who is making delrin bolts without orings AT ALL??? It seemed to work fine on a cocker and increased efficiency and speed but somehow the shocker needs one?

Nope....Just marketing guys...just marketing....

[RRfireblade]

Originally posted by Kevmaster
what now, then, do we make of angels, timmys, impys, any EVERYONE ELSE who is making delrin bolts without orings AT ALL??? It seemed to work fine on a cocker and increased efficiency and speed but somehow the shocker needs one?

Nope....Just marketing guys...just marketing....

No, DAMN good marketing.Making something simple and overlooked seem rare and unique.Now wonder why the whole paintball industry is on their knees to these guys.First paintball......THEN THE WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!

Jay.

[Evil Bob]

[sarcasm]

This just in...

Smart Parts have officially announced they have successfully patented "Seal Forward Technology" and are actively pursuing any paintball manufacturer who uses o-rings anywhere on or near their bolts.

Reading further into the patent description we find that the key to their aggressive patent pursuit is based entirely upon using o-rings anywhere in the manufacture of paintball marker equipment including air systems, they claim that it is an infringement on their patent solely because they "seal air at some point or another".

[/sarcasm]

-Evil Bob

[personman]

pwned by the matrix and firestorm

LOL THATS SO UNIQUE TOO BAD ITS BEEN DONE

http://members.cox.net/pgipaintguns/page1.htm

[f3rr3+]

On a side note, pwn is actually the real form of own. Own was ownly (or correctly pwnly) set into use when typewriters were manufactured and therefore made typing own much easier then pwn, so slackers started typing own anywhere pwn showed up! Only now, in our tenacious gaming culture has the word finnaly resurfaced into the english language. Long live Pwn!!!!!


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[pbjosh]

ACK-

okay-

SFT would be better described as the valve doesn't discharge till the bolt is all the way forward. Forward Discharge Tech. Basicly if the bolt isn't forward all the way, the back piston doesn't unseat from a seal with the bolt.

There isn't an extra o-ring in the front (from what I have seen) and they should have a delrin tolerence fit to the breech.

BUT SEALING FORWARD TECH-

That is total, well, we know.

I have shot guns that didn't seal forward. I did that one my first game, over 12 years ago. The bolt of a then new pmi-1 wasn't quite all the way forward. Blew that huge 40rnd loader about 10 ft straight up. Lost the 30 rd allotment we had for that game also- the small amount of blowback we get now is nothing ompared to that!

Josh

[puckmaster]

Originally posted by f3rr3+
On a side note, pwn is actually the real form of own. Own was ownly (or correctly pwnly) set into use when typewriters were manufactured and therefore made typing own much easier then pwn, so slackers started typing own anywhere pwn showed up! Only now, in our tenacious gaming culture has the word finnaly resurfaced into the english language. Long live Pwn!!!!!


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thanks for sharing that with us.

[Spartan X]

bahh the Rainmaker is more of a closed bolt marker then this thing....not that it matters

[JEDI]

Originally posted by Evil Bob
[sarcasm]

This just in...

Smart Parts have officially announced they have successfully patented "Seal Forward Technology" and are actively pursuing any paintball manufacturer who uses o-rings anywhere on or near their bolts.

Reading further into the patent description we find that the key to their aggressive patent pursuit is based entirely upon using o-rings anywhere in the manufacture of paintball marker equipment including air systems, they claim that it is an infringement on their patent solely because they "seal air at some point or another".

[/sarcasm]

-Evil Bob

Hahaha! I applied my own "news anchor voice" to this while reading it. Thats hilarious!! ...Stay tuned for more news about smart parts inventing Air! You too may be at risk of patent infringement for simply breathing....

[jinxed]

Originally posted by Spartan X
bahh the Rainmaker is more of a closed bolt marker then this thing....not that it matters

Yes, but Brass Eagle tried to call it 'Pneudo-closed bolt'. But, at least with the Rainmaker and Vector, the bolt completely stops before any air travels through the bolt.

Nick

[FutureMagOwner]

Originally posted by pbjosh
Basicly if the bolt isn't forward all the way, the back piston doesn't unseat from a seal with the bolt.

now if im reading this correctly the tippmann does the exact samething your describing...(your basically saying everythings in position then boom gas comes out right? not like the mag where it starts going with the bolt kinda)