AGD's marketing move

**nt2004** · 09-30-2003, 03:10 PM

the reason i was attracted to AGD was the fact that the markers werent geared towards anyone in particular. It gave me the chance to customize the gun for the ways i would play with it. I love customizing so i bought an already nice gun and made it unique. I've always beleived that is what AGD had in mind. They wanted the players to decide what they wanted in their gun, not some hotshots in marketing. It does sound like a good idea to sell guns with the mods already on them because it would save the player some money but i beleive many people have missed the fact that automags are made to give the player the chioce of how they'd like their marker to perform

**AGD** · 09-30-2003, 03:28 PM

Thanks for the compliment! Good to hear we are getting it right!

We are doing the new package design for the RTpro with ULE body TODAY! We are talking about what different name to give it (but we didn't think about getting rid of the RT part).

It takes a while to roll the product line over but its happenning. New rail is getting proto'd this week. ULE Emags on deck too!

AGD

**Jeffy-CanCon** · 09-30-2003, 03:32 PM

I think Carl has some good points.

The whole Tac-One idea is brilliant. An excellent & rugged high-performance marker aimed directly at the huge scenario player market.

The ability to customize any marker still exists, and people who want to do so will always find a way to make their gear unique. But a lot of people want to start with something that is already a little flashy, and AGD hasn't offered that except with the X-mag.

**RenagadeOfFunk** · 09-30-2003, 03:36 PM

nice..i want an EmaX....but im poor DAMMIT!

**Woogie12** · 09-30-2003, 03:53 PM

Can I see a pic of the Tac-one?

**Kevmaster** · 09-30-2003, 04:03 PM

I think its almost pointless to sell the RT, the EmaX and the Xmag with barrels. Rarely have I gotten on AO to tell AGD what they should do here or there. A player spending $600+ (even $1500) on a marker will surely not want to play with his stock barrel, regardless of how good it is. I dont see ANYone with angels playing with a stock barrel for more than a weekend. Save the consumer some money, or put a little more in your pockets, either way, just dont waste time and effort on making a decent 'stock' barrel. becuase it is labeled as such, it will never be a part used by the player

**Severe** · 09-30-2003, 04:24 PM

Kevmaster,

I have to agree for the most part. I think most people today look for a barrel kit after their marker purchace. However, I'm going to disagree on the part of the Tac-One. Having a nice stock barrel that is annodized to match will significally enhance it's appearance. I think the J&J Black ceramics will look very good on it also. I've already purchased one for just that reason.

But mostly, I think it's important to include a barrel so a person can play with the marker immediately when they purchase it (provided they have the appropriate air source).

And oddly enough, I've seen/heard more than one mag user go back to the stock barrel and rav about it. I personally love it except for the report. From what I've read, it seems that the stock barrels now are being provided from J&J I think. These would, in my opinion, be a step up from the traditional 'stock' barrels.

I guess time will tell.

Steve

**Tyger** · 09-30-2003, 04:28 PM

I don't know... the E-Mag seems to me to be a perfectly fine rec-player gun. Then again, around here, top-end electros are the rec guns of choice. It's almost "too much gun" for some places up here, but it's all about the player at that point.

I'd like to see parts of the tac-one available, to mix and match. I'd like to sidecar a site to the E-Mag, myself. Then again, I'm weird like that. But having a gun you could "upgrade" would be nice too.

For example, using what Smokee said, a new player gets a very basic mag to start out with. Then buy a ULE body, then perhaps get a trigger pack to upgrade to an E-Mag... (Well, Intelleframe, I guess...) But that to me is best. A player can kit-bash a gun and make it exactally what they wanted.

At least that what I like. I like flex in my gear. Which reminds me, I need to get my e-mag ready for this weekend. Red hose or blue....

-Tyger

**Python14** · 09-30-2003, 04:31 PM

I truely am excited about the Tac-one and in all seriousness may consider buyin one when I go into the market for a backup/woods ball marker. A tac-1 with say an 88/45 flatline and revy would be like the ultimate woodball gun.

Regardless, I really like the direction AGD is going.

BTW, How about RTLite as a name for the new RTP?

**Top Secret** · 09-30-2003, 04:52 PM

I'd have to concur with Kev. It's very rare to see someone actually use a stock barrel these days who is throwing that much money into the gun. Albeit I used my stock Emag barrel for quite some time, mainly due to the limited availbility of twist-lock barrel kits. Most people rip off the stock barrel and pretty much throw it into their tool kit, never to see the light of day again. Stock barrels aren't really worth the investment IMO. WGP I believe started the trend of aftermarket barrels stock with the JJ Performance Full-Tilt on the STO cockers. Just leave it open to the choice of the player.

You could always throw on a nice RM 11" Stock barrel, I can't imagine they are too hard to make.

**personman** · 09-30-2003, 05:01 PM

I love the whole concept of the tac-one. The only flaw I see is that it has a retro/xvalve which requires nitrogen and im not sayin all scenario players use co2 but I know alot of them dont bother to switch and just use a remote because they usually arent firing very fast.

**davidb** · 09-30-2003, 05:37 PM

Big NO on the "RT Lite" idea. "Lite" implies low end, budget, bargain, cut-cost, etc.

While I am not against having "RT" in the new name, I am also in favor of the idea of not limiting the ideas to variations on "X" and "RT" and, hell, even "Mag"! Nowhere is it written that you cannot come up with a completely new name for it.
In fact, that might even be the best approach, as far as marketing is concerned. Do you think that the Intimidator would be as popular as it is today if Tom Kaye had gotten to choose the name

? E-Millenium? I doubt it.

I think that if you introduce the new version of the RTP, looking radically different from the original (the appearance of which some people may only remember as it was in that ad way back when, sans Intelliframe and everything), with a totally new name, people will see it and think of it as "That wicked-bad-awesome-cool new AGD gun

" as opposed to "the aluminum RT".

Seriously, I think that this is a marketing lesson that other companies have been teaching by example. If everything you introduce is percieved as a new take on old news, your sales will be reflected accordingly.

Then again, maybe I'm just an 18 year old kid who never sold anything but German-Club chocolate.

Added: About personman's comment on the Tac-One, I would say either offer as special package deal with a Flatline (probably not the best way around the newb-with-CO2 problem because of the price, but a good idea nonetheless) or just offer a version with a classic valve. It wouldn't even really need special anno since (if I remember right) the Tac-One body covered the valve.

**DiRTyBuNNy** · 09-30-2003, 05:37 PM

I still will go way back to something I said long ago (do the research if you want) and say that the ULE Emags should be called the SuperMags (or SuperMax)...but that's just me..

**davidb** · 09-30-2003, 05:46 PM

About the RTX/EMaX/SuperMaX thing... I may well be part of a small minority here, but I get tired of seeing Xtreme this and MaXX that everywhere.. (EDIT: Everywhere meaning exactly that, not just in AGD/paintball) It's perfectly fine for the X-Mag and X-valve, but when you start trying to put X's in EVERYTHING, to me it just looks like a desperate attempt to be cool. "ULE" and "Mag" are two things that are both genuinely cool, and unique to AGD. Work with that.

I gotta say though, I do like the SuperMag idea. Heck, I was all for calling the ULT the SuperMech trigger.. Oh well.

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