Help me win argument

[~WarpedRT#2~]

Goatboys right, we really cant tell him what to do. We were all raised by different standards, and dfferent people. To Shartly, I didn't mean to offend you, I just feel very strongly about my point of view.
Poscards? wow, that does suck. My school calls my house when I'm not there. I just turn off the answering machine. For the author of the thread, I have a friend who has it possibly a million times worse than you do, so dont feel bad.

p.s. I have a cat and I call myself her daddy. Does that count?

[shartley]

Originally posted by ~WarpedRT#2~
To Shartly, I didn't mean to offend you, I just feel very strongly about my point of view.

I was not offended.

[thei3ug]

Drinking and Driving is the Surest bet if you want to get to the end of your trip in the shortest amount of time.

of course, your mom might not want to hear that, and will smack you around a bit.

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Tell me though, why does this have to be an argument with your parents? It either happens, or it does not happen. Consider the best way for your parents to feel safe, not debate with them or try to rationalize the situation.

Why not bite the bullet, let your parents talk to the people and parents involved? Find out who is responsible for the trip, get to know the risks involved... or are there things you don't want them to know...?

[f3rr3+]

Ok, since this is now a "how to raise your children thread" and no longer "any good argument that i could present to my mom thread" lets leave it at the former because the latter has been solved.

[f3rr3+]

Re: warning: cranky old man response coming

Originally posted by GoatBoy
Folks, it is improper to apply certain lessons you have learned about your own family to other families.

Without actually being there and being a part of this young man's family, you have NO IDEA of what is going on. It's kind of like "Hey man, your dad seems really cool!" "That's because you're not there to see him get drunk and beat all of us." You just have flat out no idea as to the (sometimes rather complex) inner workings of a family.

You can offer maybe a little gentle advice or words of encouragement, but that's it. Attempting to impose your own specific conclusion derived from your own very specific upbringing is... stretching it.


This argument shouldn't be for us to win or lose for you, bud.

ok i admit i worded the title of the thread poorly, it should have been doesn anyone know anything i could point out to better my case.

[InexactMelissa]

Let us know how it turns out, and try not to get in trouble.

[Bolter]

yeah just try to be safe and let us know..

[swanster]

my mum don't know you that well bolter ( good job too ) but she lets me travel anywhere with you

EDIT: the good job too part was only a joke

[Chris42050]

Kids do what they want.
Parents try to do whats best.

Okay to your question. Or maybe to my question. Does she have a reason not to trust your judgment? Does she have a reason not to trust her own? (She has talked to them before right). You only live once and cant put your life on hold just to be super safe. Between the 2 of you, you should have to have a pretty good idea of the type of people you are talking about.

[hAppy]

hey im 16, sure i can get a ride with friends, but my parents dont like it

i understand their point...
my friends smoke and drink ( i dont ), i know that i could die anytime i'm in their cars. young drivers drive pretty bad, too fast, too late on brakes, too slow reaction etc

its all the reasons moms and dads wont let you get rides with friends. i respect their reasoning, but i'm easily tempted

really no way to argue against it. unless you show that your friends are good drivers, not decent but good

[RRfireblade]

Hey guys,I think he figured it out.......6 MONTHS AGO.

[the_next_guy_]

He probably has his license by now...