speedball --- dont like it

[trxtr]

KONIGBALLER

you've obviously never played in the woods, so your argument is biased, as well as most of you others. to think woodsball dosn't incorporate team work is assinine. to think there's no sportsmanship in woodsball is rediculous. to think more people in the paintball community play and enjoy speedball is just plain wrong.

the fact of the matter is speedball was a Marketing Ploy invented in SoCal to sell more paint that took off, like grunge rock and britney spears. older, wiser people who were there when it began see this and don't buy into (it was considered a joke at first). impressionable kids that like to look cool, and read APG swallow it whole without chewing (along with what kinds of shoes to wear and movies to see).

Fake Combat: Most Sports that put two teams head to head with their "goal" at opposite ends stems from simulated warefare (football, hockey, soccer, checkers).

Speedball contains no elements woods ball lack (fire fights are just as intense just further between), however, speedball strips away most of the intricacies that make woodsball what it is.

Lastly,
Speedballers Cheat and the refs allow it (no not all of 'em). I've seen it so many times it made me despise speedball. yeah people wipe hits in the woods (not if their in my club, they'll get ousted). but there's no excuse for it when money/prizes/sponsorship is on the line and spectators abound. it's like a footballer being tackled, the ref looking the other way, and him getting up and scoring a touchdown while all the fans BOO. that's what's truly keeping paintball out of the public domain.

thanx
trxtr

[ShooterJM]

I dunnoe man. The last scenario I played there was more wiping going on then at a diarrhea convention.

[LudavicoSoldier]

Meh!

I always like the "Most Dangerous Game" aspect of paintball. I got into paintball to hunt my friends (and hapless n00bs) in the woods, through marshes, in forts etc.. Don't get me wrong, speedball is great, but I prefer woodsball, capture the fort, hyperball, etc.. Something about blow up pikachus and carrots just dont do it for me. And I HATE getting shot 10 times before I can yell out.

I think my point is that as long as fields still actively run woods fields, as well as other non Speedball type fields i'll be happy. But don't tell me that since paintball has "evolved" into a sport that I should shut up and shoot 3 cases a day while hiding behind a blow up snack chip.

On a related note, I see the same type of behavior when i'm playing Counter-Strike. If your not down for fast paced, team oriented play, then you must be a "n00b". I think its really retarded that people one either side of the spectrum, whether tourny or rec, ridicule the others for either not being "hardcore" enough, or for being too "hardcore". Just shut up and play!

[LudavicoSoldier]

But on another note...

Ive been playing for at least 7 years now and I never noticed much unsportsmanlike conduct or wiping until speedball tournys came around.

[FalconGuy016]

I didnt like it the first time. I really didnt

Then I absolutely loved it, try to give it time. And act quick, that made all the difference for me, acting quick and not waiting.

[GoatBoy]

This thread is pretty damn funny.

Paintball hasn't quite always been the way it is (or appears to be). It started out somewhat differently from this false image that certain parties would try to tout as being the dominant form.

What we are currently witnessing is a backlash against a backlash against what I guess is the original recball.

Somewhere along the way, someone didn't like the concept of all these guys skulking around in camo in the woods. Somewhere along the way, someone figured out they could make a lot of money off these paintballers.

So the money came in, against the backdrop of a society where "attention deficit disorder" has become a household term, and certain games switched to this new paintball format. This new format is designed to be easier on the eyes, more direct-action oriented, and last but not least, suck as much money as possible out of your wallet. This certain subset of players wanted it this way, and the people looking to make the money wanted it this way too.

Now, this certain subset of paintball players, if nothing else, has a very strong will. They want to believe that they truly represent what is paintball; that they are the creme de la creme. With every exhortation, they make it known who they are, and whom they look down upon, and if you're not part of the circle, then you have no voice -- no RIGHT. If you get into a disagreement with these guys, you have to cough up the credentials. Not by logic, not by math, not by common sense, will you win any sort of argument with these guys. Your only way out is to know the "secret handshake."

I don't really want to get any further into this specific point, other than to say that I think there seems to be enough of a backlash against all this stuff to be... noticeable. I think we may be approaching another cycle. I dunno.


Oops, hit the submit instead of preview.

Anyways, in the past, I've hated both woods ball and speedball. Weird, huh? My favorite has been sort of an urban type field with little mock houses. I've since become somewhat less picky about fields now; there's only one field type I really dislike now -- a field type I can only describe as "mounds o' mulch". I've settled into both woods ball and airball, the latter of which I now treat as kind of a limited variant of urban, considering actually getting into a mock house was a deathtrap, so they might as well be large inflatable houses. I don't really see any different "skill" level involved between both games. They can both be as competetive as you make them out to be.

[blakdragon21]

Speedball is the ultimate game for any paintballer. Almost anyone can play rec ball or woods ball but it takes a true athlete to play speedball. They are still fine in my book, but there is very little teamwork in rec or woodsball. You are not always playing with the same people and not everyone has a certain job to do in a certain amount of time. As for comments of unsportmanlike conduct and wipping that is all about the person playing. I mean look at basketball for an example. Back in the day it was all jump shots and there was no slam dunks, 180, windmills jams, or any other fancy plays. But now the players are more athletic and more creative they can make amazing moves and the sport has now progressed in things like streetball and slam ball. This is just like paintball, it might have started with rec and woodsball, but as the people got better and the guns faster speedball became the game of the new paintball world. I still enjoy playing rec and woodsball now and then when I feel like pretending I am the terminator, but it does not compare to the teamwork that applies and the rush I get. They is very little teamwork in rec/woodsball unless you get lucky and are playing with a friend or a trusting person, but how many times do you play with people and they do nothing but look out for their own ASSets. People also need to realize that speedball is making the sport grow and they need to grow with it or will be left behind, soon woodsball will be a dinosaur. If you want to play woodsball try hunting, they are more tatics their or join the army for the teamwork cause in reality woodsball is just a game not a sport like speedball.

[shartley]

Originally posted by blakdragon21
Speedball is the ultimate game for any paintballer. Almost anyone can play rec ball or woods ball but it takes a true athlete to play speedball. They are still fine in my book, but there is very little teamwork in rec or woodsball. You are not always playing with the same people and not everyone has a certain job to do in a certain amount of time. As for comments of unsportmanlike conduct and wipping that is all about the person playing. I mean look at basketball for an example. Back in the day it was all jump shots and there was no slam dunks, 180, windmills jams, or any other fancy plays. But now the players are more athletic and more creative they can make amazing moves and the sport has now progressed in things like streetball and slam ball. This is just like paintball, it might have started with rec and woodsball, but as the people got better and the guns faster speedball became the game of the new paintball world. I still enjoy playing rec and woodsball now and then when I feel like pretending I am the terminator, but it does not compare to the teamwork that applies and the rush I get. They is very little teamwork in rec/woodsball unless you get lucky and are playing with a friend or a trusting person, but how many times do you play with people and they do nothing but look out for their own ASSets. People also need to realize that speedball is making the sport grow and they need to grow with it or will be left behind, soon woodsball will be a dinosaur. If you want to play woodsball try hunting, they are more tatics their or join the army for the teamwork cause in reality woodsball is just a game not a sport like speedball.

LOLROF Now THAT is funny!

[GoatBoy]

OK, someone help me out here. Is there a smilie somewhere that shows a guy burying his face in his hands and sobbing?

Originally posted by shartley

LOLROF Now THAT is funny!

[Ov3rmind]

Re: KONIGBALLER

Originally posted by trxtr
the fact of the matter is speedball was a Marketing Ploy invented in SoCal to sell more paint that took off, like grunge rock and britney spears. older, wiser people who were there when it began see this and don't buy into (it was considered a joke at first). impressionable kids that like to look cool, and read APG swallow it whole without chewing (along with what kinds of shoes to wear and movies to see).

Lastly,
Speedballers Cheat and the refs allow it (no not all of 'em). I've seen it so many times it made me despise speedball. yeah people wipe hits in the woods (not if their in my club, they'll get ousted). but there's no excuse for it when money/prizes/sponsorship is on the line and spectators abound. it's like a footballer being tackled, the ref looking the other way, and him getting up and scoring a touchdown while all the fans BOO. that's what's truly keeping paintball out of the public domain.

thanx
trxtr

Words can't describe how blatantly stupid and insulting those two paragraphs were (to woods and speedball players).

[shartley]

Originally posted by GoatBoy
OK, someone help me out here. Is there a smilie somewhere that shows a guy burying his face in his hands and sobbing?

I wish there were..... You should have seen my post before I reduced it to one small sentence and a couple emoticons.

[Zimbo]

Originally posted by Grade A Daga
As long as your playin and having fun its all good. You shouldn't really give a sh*t where you are playing unless you really have a preference. That is what it comes down to, personal preference. So plz stop b*tchin people out for sh*t they like. Thanks...

how2havefun when newbies be SnPing and than taunting you after they get lucky or their teamy hits you. OR they always talking **** or those people who actually think paintball is a sport or those people who have never played a quality woods game or those peop...........

[iownamag]

Originally posted by Zimbo


What im saying is that when it was invented it wasnt for sport. Skiing for example when it was originally invented in the mountains of the alps and whatnot was just for transportation. 1 ski and 1 big pole it later evolved and it now a 2planking 2 sticking race/freestyle competition but it was originally invented for something other than sport. Ill use a well known example. Baseball was invented to be a game/competition. It was made to do that so its a sport. track and field is if you take it back to the oldn days just running and jumping and throwing. Javelins were used for hunting everyone jumps (they just work on ther style for greater distance) and everyone runs at one point or another. Paintball if you could call it that back in the day was for marking trees and cows. At some point someone said lets shoot each other or something like that but it came from the original idea of marking things. Soccer = sport Football = sport Rugby = sport
Fishing = not a sport Riflery = Not a sport Swimming = not a sport. if You need anymore clarafication just yell

fishing= is a sport! swimming= is a sport (it's in the olympics for crying out loud!) you're an idiot.

[blakdragon21]

Don't get mad at Me cause you are fat, old, out of shape, slow, can't communicate, or any other reason you can't play the athletic sport of speedball, Get mad at god, he's the one that made you that way not me.

[trxtr]

overmind

insulting and stupid...
yeah, if insulting and stupid is seeing personally how it went down in the past 12 years,thus, knowing what i'm talking about. if you have a rebutal, state your case. but lame little comments with out factual based support is rather juvenile.IMHO

thanx
trxtr